Symbolic Interpretation of the Arabic Parts/Lots

[David_Mastrogiovanni]

Greetings. I would like to post here some obeservations that I feel are quite worthy of notice. They have to do with Sabian Symbols and Arabic Parts/Lots.
This is a new concept of understanding of how the Sabians can be applied and it is mentioned for the first time [as far as I know...and no one has told me otherwise] in a book I have published on, what I know to be, a most controversial and inflammatory subject. i.e. The birth chart of Jesus/Yeshua of Nazareth.

I am not attempting self promotion here, but after working with this system for nearly 5 years and getting wonderful results and feedback on it I have to share this. Whether or not I have actually produced the birth chart of Jesus/Yeshua is of minor import here as I wish to illustrate how the Parts can be interpreted by Sabian Symbology...although the data I produced from the chart, in question, led to the understanding. I believe my observations to be correct regardless as the application of this understanding has, so far been, of unqestionable accuracy in analysis of every chart previously produced by me of people I'm somewhat of more than casual aquaintance. Thus, I don't feel I'm in error by presenting this theory withholding acceptance of the other material presented in my book. [You can find the title, publisher, et al of my book by 'Googling' my name as Dave Mastry. I've also an internet radio interview, that is archived, that delves into this subject. It is not the best interview I've given to date but it is the only one archived and accessible by the internet. It also can be found by 'Google' and or other search engines.]

I have been on a quest to understand and/ascertain the spiritual nature of mankind since I was a wee lad. The life and legend surrounding Jesus/Yeshua understandably being the most alluring to attempt to understand.
I had been given many indications that the 'Star of David' or Magen David' was an Astrological Matrix [the 'Grand Sextile'] that was predicted or anticipated to be found on the birth chart of the 'Messiah".

Having found that there are computer ephemeri that are available to the public, that covers the birth era of Jesus/Yeshua, I had to see for myself if any such configuration did occur in the heavens in the time span acceptable as being possible for the birth of Jesus/Yeshua.

A few years back [2004] I was armed with three other clues in the search for the Astrological birth chart of Jesus/Yeshua.

1. One of the dates as given by the reknowned 20th century clairvoyant/psychic, Edgar Cayce, i.e. as Cayce said: "...on March 19th, by the Julian Calendar, in what would now be considered [at the time of the reading in the 1930s'] his fourth year of existence". This becomes April 2, 3 AD, by conversion to Gregorian calendar, as of this century.

2. What Dane Rudhyar predicted would be found on the chart axis in Rudhyars book "An Astrological Mandalla. The Sabian Symbols". in Part 3, Chapter 2, "The Cross And The Star".

3. What I knew of a woman with Christ like healing powers/proclivities bestowed upon her by having Pluto exactly conjunct her Ascendent at birth.

Thus armed I utilized the Astrodienst web emphemeris and found that this occurred at between 5:21 and 5:25 pm on that day... which has since been rectified, incidently by Sabian Symbology, to 5:23 pm. [Note: the location utilized is the present day location of Berthlehem]

I didn't produce a chart with a 'Magen David' [i.e. a Grand Sextile] but what I did come up with is most profound and has gained acceptance and or support by a good many Astrologers to date,[ and by some rather notable by reputation who have yet to state so publically...due to the extensive and exhaustive nature of corroborating the chart by progression and transits to known events and occurences in the life of the man. In other words the Jury is still out but all indications are good for a decision in my favor.]

The first thing I noticed was that when I had 'dialed in' Pluto to the Ascendent for that day, that Edgar Cayce gave as the correct date of birth, is that the Part of Fortune produced is the 19th degree of Pisces. The Sabian Symbol for which is [From Rudhyars book] "A Master Instructs His Disciple"
. I next checked the 12th house cusp for it's symbol. [Note: I was taught primarily in Rudhyarian technique. I was instructed that the 12th house cusp {Placidus}, by Sabian Symbology, is ones' answer to the problems of the world] The 12th house cusp for his chart it is the 4th degree of Virgo, the Sabian Symbol for which [by Rudhyars' book] is "Black And White Children Play Together Happily" and Rudhyars keyword for this symbol is "BROTHERHOOD".

Let me digress for a moment. I became convinced some years back that there was something going on with these symbols as per relation to the Parts and to the house cusps as my own Part of Fortune and M.C. are the 25th degree of Leo, the symbol for which is "A Large Camel Is Seen Crossing A Vast And Forbiding Desert."...Rudhyars Keyword[s], 'SELF-SUFFICIENCY and TOTAL INDEPENDENCE". Withoutgoing into my life history let me just say this symbol couldn't be more precise, in that I've had to become self taught and self realized in my endeavors. My brother introduced me to Astrology in 1984 and gave me an armload of books on the subject, that he recommended, but other than that I'm pretty much self taught...that is taught from what I've read, from what I've learned from other Astrologers that I could subsquently see proven true and what I've observed first hand to be true. I also attained many experiences or accomplishments in yogic practice without ever having been given any instruction other than an introductory suggestion by my mother and subsequent instruction via various disciples of other faiths and or yogic orders or what I ascertained from reading or direct experience. I basically tried it and if it worked I kept it and studied it further if it didn't work or if I had no success with any knowledge or practice I threw it out...I couldn't use it.
[Swami Sivananda mentions yogis as myself saying we occur rarely and have no guru in the flesh as we are chelas of the 'Word' directly. This practice and level of attainment is also mentioned by Trevor Ravenscroft in his book "The Cup Of Destiny" as a rather esoteric and occult part of Templar Knight practice. If anyone might be so interested]

I next checked the Part of Catastrophe. This calculates to be the 28th degree of Virgo. The Sabian Symbol for which is [from Rudhyars book] "A Bald Headed Man Who Has Seized Power....Whether at the religious or socio-political and cultural level there comes a time when obsolescent patterns of order and cultural refinement have to be radically and relentlessly challenged." This corroborates pretty much every Biblical Historians account of why Jesus/Yeshua was crucified...i.e. challenging the religious and political 'power bases' of that time.

Again, let me digress and use my own Part of Catastrophe in support of this application of Sabian Symbols to the Parts/Lots.

My Part of Catastrophe is the 17th degree of Capricorn, the Sabian Symbol for which is[from Rudhyars' book] "A Repressed Woman Finds A Psychological Release In Nudism." And Rudyars' keyword[s] for this symbol are "RELEASE FROM INHIBITION". Considering that I grew up on the West Coast of California during the 1960s' this seems quite accurate in that had I given in to the loose sexual moores and drug use of those times I would probably be either be dead physically or incapacitated mentally by this time...which would be quite the "Catastrophe" as per my life.

Next, I'd like to bring up the Part of Sudden Advancement. For my proposed chart of Jesus/Yeshua this computes to be the 11th degree of Gemini. The Sabian Symbol for which is [from Rudhyars' book] "Newly Opened Lands Offer the Pioneer New Opportunites For Experience". I am a life long student of the readings of Edgar Cayce. Cayces' accounts of the "Lost Years of Jesus/Yeshua" state that Jesus/Yeshua travelled to Egypt, Persia, India, Tibet etc. and that these experiences gave Jesus/Yeshua a tremendous "Leg Up" in spiritual power/understanding, established and promoted his 'ministry'. This also corresponds to the accounts given in the "Aquarian Gospel" by Levi and other accounts determined by various historians.

Part after Arabic Part that is determined for this chart produces symbology that is profound and seems percisely the appropriate symbol from the 360 available as per the nature of the Part in Question. In my book I cover a number of these Parts yet there are so many more to explore. And those of you more familiar with the life/legend of Jesus/Yeshua than I should be able to find more to corroborate the authenticity of the chart. [I haven't even touched on the Sabians for the Planets themselves or any of the other observations and deductions that are to be derived from the chart...but that is altogether off the subject here of Arabic Parts and Sabian Symbology.]

What this has illustrated is that the Sabian Symbol for any Arabic Part/Lot becomes the attitude or action required to activate the nature of said Part in question...with the exception of the Part of Catastrophe which then is the symbolic attitude or action one wouldn't want to employ or assume.

Finally I would like to point to my own 12th house cusp [Placidus] symbolically. It is the 25th degree of Libra which Rudhyar interprets to mean "The ability to discover in every experience a transcendent or cosmic meaning"...which pretty much sums me up as the old Hippy, that I am, who sees everything as being so "COSMIC".



PS, please note I believe only the 'Day Formula' for the Part of Fortune to be correct and as to why Placidus over Campanus [or any other House System] is another treatise.

I invite any or all of you that wish, to correspond with me via personal message through this forum or by my e-mail via yahoo for more on this or for further discussion.

Eternal Light and Love, Dave Mastry aka Devananda

[David_Mastrogiovanni]

The following is copied from a thread/post of mine from the astrologyweekly.com forum...I believe all who read it will find it of interest.


Greetings. I see this thread has been languishing and I want to instill some more interest here.
I wish to illustrate this method of interpretation utilizing the Part of Catastrophe as it is such an important part and one that I believe is more easily recognized. It seems we are all so aware of the failures of others and we all have our opinions as to what caused or contributed to someones failure. Those people in the public eye being the most targeted.
My good friend and fellow yogi, Suryakant, and I were discussing gurus, Swamis and the like one afternoon when the conversation turned to those individuals who were touted as the next great teacher or spiritual leader back in the 60s' and 70s' but never did seem to materialize.
Bubba Free John, aka Franklin Jones came up in the conversation.
I recall Franklin Jones being recognized as one of these people. In fact I recall him being the preeminent American born candidate for such leadership. He was recognized as an avatar [or a possible one] by many a recognized spiritual teacher at the time. He was pretty much expected to establish an Order of Yoga and a ministry back over 30 years ago...so what happened?
Suryakant, whom is so knowledgable in these matters, told me, [and this is not only Suryakants opinion but the opinion of many familiar with Franklin Jones story] that the reason the predicted didn't happen was because Bubba Free John had a sort of naive attitude that all would be accomplished by his close associates/adherants/disciples and that all he had to do was provide the inspiation by the very act of just 'being' [more or less]. [As many a great guru/Swami/avatar has been able to do, to some degree of another...that is, provide the necessary energy or condition just by their very presence.]
I looked up Mr Franklin Jones and found that his birth data is public knowledge...and it seems very accurate...especially considering that the time given is so detailed [11:21...not 11:00 or 11:30 or even 11:20 but 11:21!]...indicating someone was paying very close attention to the birth at the time.
The data is: November 3, 1939 @ 11:21 am Jamaica N.Y.
This produces a Part of Catastrophe of 21* Cancer 08'...that is the 22nd degree of Cancer. The Sabian Symbol for which is [From Rudhyars' book]"A YOUNG WOMAN AWAITING A SAILBOAT. Keynote: The longing for transcendent happiness in the soul opened to great dreams. Here the symbol pictures the imaginative youthful person who basically cannot be satisfied with what his or her ordinary social environment offers, and who instead is longing for the unknown visitation of which he or she has dreamed. From the unconscious beyond, the concretization of a spiritual image-spiritual because impelled by the 'wind' [pneuma, spirit]-is hoped for and expected. The beloved may come-not in a glittering opera house, but in the silence of the inner sea of consciousness. [and Rudhyars' summation] ...Will the great dream become concrete? Will the emotion ready to well up in response to the Advent have its chance? Will the [and Rudhyars keyword for this Symbol/degree] EXPECTANCY of the Eternal Feminine be rewarded with reality?"

...I think you should be able to see that this, symbolically, is exactly what Suryakant said was Bubbas' shortcoming...hence 'Catastrophe'.
EXPECTANCY,...believing that it would materialize...rather than actively working towards making the dream concrete...

...[the following is also extracted from my thread at the astrology.com web forum]

Last year I purchased some Astrology software [Winstar Express, Michael...]. With the program came the birthdates and charts of some famous people. One of these people is Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
Usually, I don't trust older birth data that gives the time of birth as exactly on the hour or half hour, but the data provided for FDR is so conspicuous that I have to pay it some attention and heed.
The data provided is Jan. 30, 1882 @ 8:00, Hyde Park, N.Y. This produces a Part of Catastrophe at 21* Aries 15'. The Sabian Symbol for which is [from Rudhyars' book] "THE GATE TO THE GARDEN OF ALL FULFILLED DESIRES. Keynote: Abundance made possible by human togetherness and cooperation. In contrast to the crude and cruel road to fame and power symbolized by the prize fighter [the previous degrees' symbol], we now see a symbol of apparently wide-open and effortless fulfillment. Alone, a human being can barely survive in natures' great life drama: in organized groups men can in due time fulfill their desires. The abundant life is in theory open to all. At least this is the ideal, the great dream. This symbol can also be given an erotic meaning, refering to womanhood...[and Rudhyars' summation]...the goal of happiness dominates the consciousness of cultural man, the more validly so the more modest his desires. Religious philosophies, like the American New Thought, glorify this social feeling of abundance, glamorizing it into an avid [Rudhyars' keyword{s}] COSMIC OPTIMISM and a cult of success."
Considering that FDRs' social programs, most notably Social Security, have been touted as some form of failure with Social Security being attacked as a potential CATASTROPHE then this becomes a very notable and significant example of the Symbolic resonance of this Arabic Part.
The question is; did FDR craft these programs so that they couldn't fail?
I know of many a Conservative who claims that Social Security was working fine until George McGovern depleted it by giving it away through too many added social programs. I also know of a good many Liberals who claim that Social Security would have been fine if Ronald Reagan hadn't bankrupted it by borrowing from it and never repaying it.
Political analysis aside, Social Security may or may not survive this century and whether it turns out to be the 'Catastrophe' some see it becoming and whether the blame falls on FDR, [if blame does belong there] remains to be seen.
All in all, a very interesting symbol for FDRs' Part of Catastrophe if the birth data is correct!

[also extracted from the same source]


Greetings fellow star gazers. I'd like to further illustrate this principle in action via the charts of friends and associates that I'm privy to.
I'm going to stick to one particular type of attitude/action here as it has come up a few times in chart analysis' that I've done. i.e. the attitude or action of helping others.
It may seem terrible to concieve of the idea that helping others may be ones own downfall but I've seen this effect in operation.
Case #1. Miss X. Some of you have by now become aware of a friend of mine I refer to as Miss X from some of my other threads. Miss X has remarkable talents/proclivities of healing and spiritual understanding granted by aspects in her natal chart.
Her Part of Catastrophe is the 18th degree of Sagittarius. The symbol for which is [from Rudhyars' book], "CHILDREN PLAYING ON THE BEACH, THEIR HEADS PROTECTED BY SUNBONNETS. Keynote: The protection society afords to as yet immature individuals as they begin to deal with the powerful energies of their unconcious nature."...and Rudhyars' keyword for this symbol is "PROTECTIVENESS".
A number of years ago Miss X was 'going with' a man whom has a daughter that was about 19 years old at the time. The aforementioned man was out of the country on business for sometime and the daughter and her boyfriend got into financial difficulty and Miss X allowed them to move into the extra bedroom in her apartment.
The boyfriend was abusive. One evening he got physically abusive with this girl. Miss X demanded that he leave. This fellow got threatening and Miss X called a fellow named John whom is very capable in the art of self defense.
To make the story short, John had to come over and disarm this creep and physically evict him. The young man returned with a large knife and John had to disarm him again.
John feared for Miss X and the girl and didn't wish to leave them there alone in Miss Xs' apt. He told them both to come over to his place a few blocks away and they proceded to do so. They walked towards Johns' place using the alley behind Miss Xs apt. to do so. Miss X was lagging behind John and the girl when a Pontiac Firebird turned down the alley and acellerated towards them at high speed. The creep was driving this car.
John and the girl were able to jump to safety in an alcove but Miss X was hit by the car. The impact was so great it knocked Miss X almost two stories into the air. She lived but suffered many injuries including a broken vertebrate in her neck.
Miss X has lived in almost constant pain ever since and has since been declared permanently disabled. Her injuries have caused her to shelve all plans she had made for her life and I believe it to be a 'Catastrophe' considering the potential she had and how that potential was made inert.
On the internet radio program, I've mentioned that I did cocerning my book, I gave a couple of astrological readings at the end of the program to people who called in. One of these people was a woman who is a close friend of the host and is something of a guru/spiritual leader for a number of people in the Southeastern U.S.
All was fine between us over the phone until I told her that her Part of Catastrophe was the 11th degree of Scopio. The symbol for which is [from Rudhyars' book] "A DROWNING MAN IS BEING RESCUED. Keynote: The deep concern of the social group for the safety of individuals."...and Rudhyars' Keyword for this symbol is "HUMANITARIANISM".
I told this woman that she was causing her own catastrophe by going back and trying to rescue the ones who are "Drowning" rather than let them learn to "swim" themselves. She gasped and exclaimed "Oh, that is just an awful thing to say. How terrible of you."...and she hung up on me...'so kill the messenger', I said to myself.
But the truth is, from what I've been told, she spends too much time trying to save everyone and shortchanges the others who could advance so much farther...[and possibly become 'rescuers' themselves?]
Another individual, I know of, who seems to have had their own life progress/sucess retarded by their efforts at saving others has their Part of Catastrophe at the 9th degree of Sagittarius, the symbol for which is [from Rudhyars' book], "A MOTHER LEADS HER SMALL CHILD STEP BY STEP UP A STEEP STAIRWAY. Keynote: The need in any social situation to assist the less evolved in their management of the problems which society requires its members to solve." ...and Rudhyars' Keyword[s] for this symbol, "SOCIAL CONCERN for the less evolved of societys' members".
Again, here is another example of someone I feel who could be helping a great many people if he just led and educated by example instead of 'putting himself out' and physically trying to intervene and rescue every soul he becomes concerned with.
I have been brief here with the stories concerned in these examples but I feel I've given you all the gist of it...
Hopefully, I've made you aware of this axiom in action and given you insight into how to interpret this particular Arabic Part to your own advantage.


[and a last extract from the above mentioned forum]


If you accept the current birth data given for President Obama [Aug. 4, 1961 @ 7:24 pm Honolulu, HI] then you get a Part of Catastrophe at 00* Pisces 46'.
The Symbol for this degree of the Zodiac is [from Rudhyars' book] "IN A CROWDED MARKETPLACE FARMERS AND MIDDLEMEN DISPLAY A GREAT VARIETY OF PRODUCTS. Keynote: The process of commingling and interchange which at all levels demonstrates the health of a community."...and Rudhyars' keyword for this degree/symbol is it "COMMERCE".

...Obviously this is a bit unnerving considering the present state of affairs facing the President. One can only pray that President Obama has choosen wisely in whom he has placed in his Cabinet most esp. the Dept. of Commerce...and like related positions...only time will tell.
...Although I didn't vote for Obama [I voted Libertarian...i.e. for Bob Barr] I wish him well and pray he finds us a way out of our present fiscal mess.

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[David_Mastrogiovanni]

Hello again, here is another post of mine that I've pulled from the astrologyweekly.com forum...you all should find this interesting...


Greetings ya'all.
I'd like to delve further into the symbolic representation of the Parts as I've found demonstrated.
Now, I'd like to get into the Arabic Part of Sudden Advancement. This is the first Part that I'd ever seen that utilized another Arabic Part in the equation [I now know a number of them] the equation for the Part of Sudden Advancement is Asc + Part of Fortune - Saturn.
For the chart I propose that as being the birth chart of Jesus/Yeshua this computes to 10* Gemini 34'...that is the 11th degree of Gemini.
The Sabian Symbol for the 11th degree of Gemini is [from Rudhyars' book] "NEWLY OPENED LANDS OFFER THE PIONEER NEW OPPORTUNITES FOR EXPERIENCE. Keynote: the power and joy of new beginnings."
If you are familiar with the readings of Edgar Cayce or the "Aquarian Gospel by Levi" or any of the many historians who have placed Jesus/Yeshua in Persa, India, Tibet and Egypt during his 'Lost Years' [those years in Jesus/Yeshuas' life between the ages of 18 and 30] then this symbol should make perfect sense as to why He got a sudden advance in his life mission here. Edgar Cayce and a number of the historians, aforementioned, have said it was through his travels to these lands and what he subsquently learned that furthered his spiritual understanding the greatest [and some yogis claim it was in India that He most likely developed his mystical powers or 'siddhis'].
For another example, my own Part of Sudden Advancement is 19* Virgo 52', that is the 20th degree of Virgo, the Sabian Symbol for which is [from Rudhyars book] "A CARAVAN OF CARS HEADED FOR THE WEST COAST. Keynote: The need of cooperative effort in reaching any 'New World' of experience...[and Rudhyars' summation]...the past is entirely left behind: men cooperate in the great 'adventure of consciousness' in a [and Rudhyars keyword{S}] TOTALIZATION OF PURPOSE AND EFFORT."
This says it all as far as what will produce my own 'Leg Up', to use a metaphor, that is...'All Out Effort' and gaining cooperative effort from others...hence this should give a number of you the idea why I've been beating the boards, so to speak, on every Astrological web-forum I could find this past year.
Let's look at the Part of Sudden Advancement for former President Bill Clinton.
His birth data is: August 19, 1946 @ 8:51 am in Hope, Arkansas. This produces a Part of Sudden Advancement of 3* Virgo 10', the 4th degree of Virgo. The Sabian Symbol for which is [from Rudhyars' book] "BLACK AND WHITE CHILDREN PLAY TOGETHER HAPPILY. Keynote: The overcoming of social prejudices. [and Rudhyars' keword for this degree/symbol] BROTHERHOOD."
Now it's been said that President Clinton, in effect, was our first 'Black' President and he is known to be one of the least prejudicial politicians to ever hold office...many an analyst say it was the 'Black' vote which gave him the edge in winning the office of President...Hmmmm, need I add any more commentary to this?

...I could go on with more examples but I think by now you all get how this works and I wish to encourage all of you to check your own Parts of Sudden Advancement...what attitude or action will produce a 'Sudden Advancement' in your spiritual mission here on Earth?...what will give you that sudden 'Leg Up'?...the Sabians will tell you!
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[David_Mastrogiovanni]

Greetings again fellow Stargazers.
I'm re-posting here from astrologyweekly.com again. I believe all of you should find the following of interest...Regards, Dave Mastry.

I may have mentioned this before in another thread at this forum...if so bear with me here as it is pertinent to this thread.
If you accept the current birth data given for President Obama [Aug. 4, 1961 @ 7:24 pm Honolulu, HI] then you get a Part of Catastrophe at 00* Pisces 46'.
The Symbol for this degree of the Zodiac is [from Rudhyars' book] "IN A CROWDED MARKETPLACE FARMERS AND MIDDLEMEN DISPLAY A GREAT VARIETY OF PRODUCTS. Keynote: The process of commingling and interchange which at all levels demonstrates the health of a community."...and Rudhyars' keyword for this degree/symbol is it "COMMERCE".

...Obviously this is a bit unnerving considering the present state of affairs facing the President. One can only pray that President Obama has choosen wisely in whom he has placed in his Cabinet most esp. the Dept. of Commerce...and like related positions...only time will tell.
...Although I didn't vote for Obama [I voted Libertarian...i.e. for Bob Barr] I wish him well and pray he finds us a way out of our present fiscal mess.

[And this following excerpt which was written in response to a forum members mention of the 28th degree of Sag. being their Part of Sudden Advancement}


...Hello ***********, 27* Sag. 30' is the 28th degree of Sag. If the previous symbol seems more correct to you it may be possible that the birth time recorded for you is a couple of minutes or more after the fact.
I find it interesting in tht the Jesus/Yeshua chart I propose produces a Part of Tragedy or Fatality [ as Ursula Lewis labels it... for which the equation is Asc. + Saturn - Sun] at 27* Sag. 16' .
The Sabian Symbol for the 28th degree of Sag. is [by Rudhyars book] "AN OLD BRIDGE OVER A BEAUTIFUL STREAM IS STILL IN CONSTANT USE. Keynote: The enduring elements in a society which reveal its ability to significantly link the genius of its individuals to the everyday neeeds of the collectivity. [and Rudhyar goes on to further define this degree]...A tradition is built which enables men to link their outer nature with the highest vision their leaders can concieve and objectively demonstrate. [and Rudhyars keyword{s}] THE BEAUTIFUL NECESSITY".I mention this Part and Symbol in my book on Jesus/Yeshuas'...I see the 'Tragedy of the Fatality' of the life of Jesus/Yeshua as "THE BEAUTIFUL NECESSITY" and is He not now the 'Bridge' to the 'Father/Godhead as He said?...or by some accounts, is He not now one with that "Bridge" to the Father/Godhead?

...if this be your Part of Sudden Advancement, I would again point to the potential destiny, I mentioned that might be yours, [Note: This was mentioned in a prior post to this person] to be of some type of spiritual teacher/instructor/guide in that you would assist people in advancement...a bridge to the other side in your own right...if it be the prior symbol...well, it's almost too obvious what the answer to that must be...and if you read Rudhyars' version you'll realize that Rudhyar employs the previous symbol about the sculptor into the one about the bridge...relating how the person whom projects his/her vision as a sculptor realizes his/her obligatory use of this ability would be to build a bridge for all to use...capiche?


[...And a couple of more posts from astrologyweekly.com that I put there]



Let me further illustrate this priciple in effect utilizing my proposed chart for Jesus/Yeshua.
I'd like to get into the Part of Treachery/Fraud [As Ursual Lewis lables this Part]...the formula for whic is: Asc + Neptune - Sun.
From said chart this produces a Part of Treachery/Fraud at 13* Taurus 16'... i.e. the 14th degree of Taurus, the symbol for which is [from Rudhyars' book] "ON THE BEACH CHILDREN PLAY WHILE SHELLFISH GROPE AT THE EDGE OF THE WATER. Keynote: Returning to simpler joys for revitalization. [And Rudhyar further defines this degree/symbol with his Keyword{S}] ...of a LIVE AND LET LIVE attitude."

...WOW! A LIVE AND LET LIVE attitude towards treachery and fraud!
The story of the 'Betrayal' by Judas has to be one of, if not the greatest, story of 'Treachery & Fraud' ever told...and what was Jesus/Yeshuas' alleged attitude?...I believe this symbol says it all...LIVE AND LET LIVE...


...I should apologize for using such an obscure Arabic Part to further illustrate this principle.
When I saw Rudhyars' keywords, LIVE AND LET LIVE, for this Arabic Part of Treachery/Fraud I realized it means that that is the attitude/action Jesus/Yehua was expected to produce when confronted by the act of Treachery/Fraud. That's what the symbol for this Part indicates.
Much has been said about free will being the final dominant determinant in ones life. That if one has mastered life, spiritually, then one should not be subject to the 'paltry' influence of the stars...but as my good friend and fellow yogi, Suryakant, points out...if you have reached a state of Spiritual Perfection then the acts/actions you produce are exactly those expected of you by the Universe...Thats what all these symbols are demonstrating...i.e. Jesus/Yeshua was exactly as his birth chart [spiritual blueprint] demanded he be...It becomes clear what Edgar Cayce meant when he said that Jesus/Yeshua was fully cognizant and subserviant to Gods will...i.e. his birth chart is an indication of what God had willed...just as yours...just as mine...hence my byline..."YOU ARE A DIVINE EXPRESSION OF THE UNIVERSE"...just as Jesus/Yeshua was...no less...


...and yes I realize such talk would have got me burned at the stake 500 years ago...


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[David_Mastrogiovanni]

...from a post of mine at the astrologyweekly.com forum...


...another intersting Arabic Part from this chart is the Part of Suicide.
I often wondered how a may with the power to transmute physical substances [Water into wine is one example] in addition to other powers [Siddhis] could have been nailed to a cross.
I mean, He was obviously able to change the substance of those iron nails...[possibly even able to make himself invulnerable].
If I'm correct then what Jesus did was commit suicide...in a sense.
The Part of Suicide for this chart [ Asc. + C8 - Neptune] is 04* Pisces 35'.
From Rudhyars' book comes the Sabian Symbol and His definition:
"A CHURCH BAZAAR." ...and Rudhyar goes on to define by mentioning "Religious sanctions" ...that "It helps to keep the society 'whole' by making it 'holy'-at least in principle and ideal. It justifies human behavior by blessing it with a divine Revelation of what is good and valuable. It idealizes biological and social needs by ritualizing them."
...and Rudhyars' summation: "It stresses the possibility of the "Presence of God" in even the most material human activities." ...and Rudhyars' keyword[s] for this symbol: "RITUALIZED BENEFICENCE."

This is then a perfect symbolic explanation as to WHY did He willingly let himself be put to physical death? [for all intent and purpose...Suicide]...it was, "RITUALIZED BENEFICENCE" for all of mankind that needs his assistance.
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[David_Mastrogiovanni]

...I realized I hadn't put a copy of my proposed birth chart for Jesus/Yeshua here at this web-site.
Here it is. [I believe the actual time to be a few seconds earlier]
If anyone is interested enough I could start a seperate thread on this subject here at Act...Dave Mastry

...or so it seems I had posted this in another thread...I write so much I can't keep a record of what and where...forgive me but I'll leave it posted here also for convience sake and continuity

[David_Mastrogiovanni]

...I would like to point out the incomplete 'septile' matrix in this chart that begins with the Asc./Moon/Pluto conj. [giving a little more allowance of 'Orb of Aspect'] and includes Mars, Venus and Neptune.
The resultant chart for the crucifixion in 35 AD [the Monday after the first Easter Sunday] finds the Sun, Moon and Saturn completing this matrix by transit late that Monday morn.
It's interesting that the late, great Dane Rudhyar said of the septile: "Little is known of this aspect other than it is an aspect of fatality".

[David_Mastrogiovanni]

...another posting of mine from astrologyweekly.com forum.



Greetings. I'd like to throw a little more evidence in the fire here. In fact it's quite the hammer in my opinion.
In the book "The Ninth Century and the Holy Grail" by W.J. Stein, Irene Groves and John Wood, Temple Lodge Press, 2001, it is written in the appendix iv page 306 That Wolfram, [the medival writer whom wrote Parzival] stated that the death of Jesus was the 14th day after the 32nd birthday of Jesus.
The authors also quote that Rudolph Steiner said..."The Third of April is the death day of Jesus Christ according to spiritual investigation".

...this date given [April 3rd] would undoubtable be in reference to the Julian Calendar.
As Easter must fall on the first Sunday following the first full Moon after the Spring Equinox the only year around the possible dates for the death that this could possible be was in 35 AD...I came up with April 16, 35 AD [Gregorian]for the death [a day before Steiners day given...[thus April 17th would have had to been the day of death by
converting this date to Gregorian in this century]... after the Easter Sunday which would have been on the 15th of April [Gregorian] that year. [Currently, in this century, you must add 14 days to any Julian date to covert to Gregorian]
On that day the Septile Matrix that appears on the birth Chart for Jesus I propose is completed by the transiting Sun, Moon and Saturn. That is when I would figure that the death occured.
As Rudhyar once said about a Septile [matrix],"... little is known about the Septile other than it is an aspect of fatality".
Well, if the death occured 14 days after Jesus' 32nd birthday as Wolfram stated, and Edgar Cayce said the birth was on March 19 [Julian]...then April 2 -April 3 [Julian] would then be the correct date of death as Rudlolph Steiner said.
Here's a chart for the 16th of April, 35 AD...when I see the missing points of the Septile matrix completed by transit.

[David_Mastrogiovanni]

from a posting of mine at the astrologyweekly.com forum...


Greetings again.
Another Arabic Part derived from this birth chart that stands out in particular is that of the Part Of Itelligence/Skill. [Asc. + Mars - Mercury]
For this chart it computes to be at 18* Scorpio 33', the 19th degree of Scorpio.
From Rudhyars' book on the Sabians comes the symbol and this definition: 19* Scorpio, ,"A PARROT REPEATS THE CONVERSATION HE HAS OVERHEARD. Keynote: The capacity to transmit transcendental knowledge.
To the individual who lives in a state of ardent and sustained faith it may become possible to become a channel for the transmission of a knowledge or wisdom that transcends his normal understanding. [perhaps...beyond the normal understanding of those that he transmits it to? ...Dave] The mind that has learned to be silent and attentive can become attuned to the rhythm of utterances which he may not comprehend intellectually, yet which may truly manifest superhuman realizations. Discrimination is needed here to balance the overeagerness of truth."
...and Rudhyars' summation for this symbol/degree "...we are given a hint as to mans' capacity to attune himself to sources of higher wisdom if he can be sufficiently attentive and careful in channeling a 'higher Voice'. To stress here the negative element of automatism and unintelligent repetition is to use only ones intellect. All birds in symbolism suggest spiritual faculties or forces. What is evoked is the possibility of learning from higher intelligences. Keyword CHANNELSHIP."

...sounds about 'Right on' to me...if that don't fit the PROFILE...I don't know what!?!

...the Part of Intelligence/Skill is most interesting.
Each of the 360 Sabian Symbols represents a 'Cosmic Law'. Your Part of Skill shows where and which of these 360 Principals you have an innate ability to transmit/manifest.

...my own Part of Intelligence [ 24* Sag. 18' ] was conj. Pluto three times a few years ago. During this sojourn of Plutos' to my Part of Skill I formulated, and or congealed, many of the theories I'm presently presenting in my book or other writings around the internet. Pluto was exactly conj. on it's third time [final return] on Dec 22, 2005...the very night I was invited to speak on the Rick Barber radio program out of Denver, Colorado. Which I did for an hour on my recent discovery of my proposed birth chart for Jesus/Yeshua...introducing a great many Americans to Rudhyar and Sabian Astrology.
...interestingly the North Node was at the 10th degree of Aries that same night...the Sabian Symbol for which is [Rudhyar] "A TEACHER GIVES NEW SYMBOLIC FORMS TO TRADITIONAL IMAGES. Keynote: Revision of attitude at the beginning of a new cycle of experience." ...go figure...


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[David_Mastrogiovanni]

...from a posting of mine at astrologyweekly.com...

...another re-post from my Jesus thread as it is pertinent here as to understanding what the Part of Spirit is and how to interpret it...


Okay, I'm going to risk an interpretation of the Part of Spirit/Soul.
[It's risky for me as I'm not entirely sure what the Part of Spirit per se is supposed to represent...but I'm pretty sure.]
The formula for the Part of Spirit/Soul [Asc. + Sun - Moon ...reminder, always use the 'Day Formula"] is opposite that of the Part of Fortune. As the Part of Fortune must be consciously applied symbolically to achieve the effect I assume that the Part of Spirit being the opposite formula means that the symbolism of this Part is one of an attitude or understanding that is always a concious part of awareness.The Part of Spirit for my proposed chart computes to 13* Aries 10'.
From Rudhyars' book we get the symbol and the definition: "A SERPENT COILING NEAR A MAN AND A WOMAN. Keynote: Identification in bipolar relationship with the impersonal rythym of natural energy." [and from Rudhyars' definition we get this excerpt...] "...The Adam and Eve story [in Hebrew, Ish and Isha-much more significant names!] refers to this pricipal of polarization althought the story has been turned upside down by priestly intellects to serve their purposes. Adam and Eve accepted the Presence, not of the Tempter, but of the Individualizer, who sought to have them born out of the womb of unconsciouspassivity to Natures' God. But the result of the experience frightened them. They "hid"; they failed in the great test of individualization, and in this sense the archetype of that failure is deeply imbedded in mans' generic unconscious. It is repeated time after time.
Modern "individuals" are confronted with another test, but they do not understand its meaning. It is the test of polarized concious participation in the evolutionary process - a polarization that could desolve alienation, isolation and egocentricity. In a sense at least, this was the old Tantric concept in India; but today many young people accept the concept only superficially and miss its real essence. They cannot understand the meaning of entering into the serpent, i.e. of developing eonic consciousness and that transpersonal living which once was characterized by the words: Not I live, but Christ lives me - Christ, whose symbolic number in Gnosticism is 888."
...interestingly, this gives thought to what Edgar Cayce said about Jesus and Mary having been Adam & Eve and being literally soul mates, i.e. the male and female half of the soul...[Cayce said we all have another half to our soul]...read Cayces' readings on this matter for more of that...if you're interested. [also of interest is that this same degree of Aries is the composite Part of Love for Miss X and me...curious!]
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