The Astrology of Space

Deep-Space Astrology

The Astrology of Space

Postby Michael Erlewine on Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:54 am

Introduction to Deep Space Astrology

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This concept was first published in 1976 in the book "Astrophysical Directions" from research I had done in earlier years. At the time the only astrologers I was aware of interested in this topic were my two friends Charles A. Jayne and Theodore Landscheidt. Of the two, Landscheidt was more up on what was happening in modern astrophysics. I consider Landscheidt’s book “Cosmic Cybernetic” perhaps the only astrology book I would take with me to the desert island. It is that important. I hope we can have some discussion on the this approach.

The sky above us has not changed much in millions of years, but how we see that sky and how much of it we see has changed forever in our lifetimes. A revolution in astronomy has taken place, as astronomers and physicists venture beyond the visual spectrum and began to see the actual shape and form of the universe. The pinpoint stars that we have been staring at for centuries are literally just the tip of the iceberg, like the eyes in the human body. The shape of the body of the universe itself has now been partially revealed and it is beautiful indeed.

Astrologers have always followed astronomical research (such as the discovery of Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, etc.) with open ears and with a mind to interpret what this or that astronomical discovery might mean astrologically. We now have astrological interpretations for the outer planets, the asteroids, and so on. But this has not been as true for the landmark discoveries of deep space objects like pulsars, quasars, radio and X-Ray sources, black holes and the like. What do they mean?

Perhaps it is because so much was discovered in a such a relatively short time that astrologers have just not had time to catch up. Some 35 years have passed since I did the research for some of the material in this book, which was first published in 1976 under the title “Astrophysical Directions.” Nothing of similar scope astrologically has appeared since that time. Aside from the interest of a few astrologers in one or two of the deep-space concepts, there has been almost no mention of this material. No echo has returned.

With that in mind, I feel it is important to once again make these astronomical discoveries available to astrologers in an easy-to-use and illustrated format. In addition, all of the more important fixed stars and deep space objects like black holes, quasars, etc. are included here along with their familiar zodiac positions, rather than the equatorial coordinates used by astronomers. That way, as you read about a particular celestial object, you can look that point up in your own natal chart.

Astrophysics for Astrologers

To begin, I would like to share a few experiences and thoughts concerning the structure in space beyond our solar system and how it might be of value astrologically for learning more about who you are and what on earth you might be here for.

I first became interested in deep-space astrology through exploring heliocentric astrology, the astrology of our entire solar system. Early on, I was amazed at difference between my standard geocentric natal chart and some of the other astrological coordinate systems such as the heliocentric and Local Space charts. IAt that time my interest in the space beyond and surrounding our solar system was minimal. I was put off by the billions of stellar objects out there and, on a more basic level, by the ideas of coldness and blackness I had been programmed to associate with outer space. I sure didn’t want to go out there.

Distant space somehow represented the epitome of 'otherness' and 'foreign' to me. I was embarrassed (in terms of astrological usage) by all of the books I had read on the fixed stars, with the possible exception of L. E. Johndro's book, “The Stars.” How was I to determine the significance of these billions of stars and use them in my practice, when I had enough difficulty just using the nine planets?

And then the unexpected happened. I had a dream, a very special dream. It was not an ordinary dream, but one of those dreams that are more real than waking consciousness and that take months to understand and absorb. It was placed deep in my consciousness. In fact, it was a kind of vision.

In my dream the astrologer L. E. Johndro appeared to me and his eyes were filled with light. There were rays or stalks of light coming out of his eyes. This strange being said but one word, "LOOK!," and with his arm, he turned and pointed up to the night sky. I looked up and out there.

As I opened my eyes, the sky was filled with brilliant points of light. The stars and all of this starry material were clustered together to form the great glowing arch of the Milky Way or galactic plane. It was wondrous beyond description and in that instant my heart went out from me and filled this bright hall of space. Never again have I had the feeling of being here on earth, warm and trembling before the cold and black of space. I became the space and light and reversed my polarity or changed my attitude. I understood in that instant that I was a living representative of this mother galaxy, its child. I was the being from outer space I had always wondered about. Furthermore, I had always been so!

From that night forward, I began to venture beyond the zodiac in an inquiry as to the nature and structure of this universe. Here, in brief form, is what I found:

Most important is the fact that we are an integral part of the cosmos, not some lonely outpost. In fact, each of us is a node or information aggregate and the universe is in intimate contact with itself only through us – through our eyes. We are part of the cosmic information conduit, the eyes of the universe. The cosmos sees through our eyes, itself.

The manifold nature of distant cosmic events happening out there in space is represented through our very self and lives down here on earth. It lives through us. There is not only a correlation between these seeming remote cosmic events and our person, but an identity as well. Information coming from the galactic center (and elsewhere), carried by electromagnetic and gravitational radiation from every last star and cosmic plane and event, passes through us at all times. We are in some way a node or information complex embedded in the matrix or web of manifestation. We look at ourself!

While all that may sound pretty heady, the overpowering idea that occurred when I made some acquaintance with the universe and its structure is that there is no difference between out there and in here. We are already out there! We ARE in deep space and have been there from eternity until now.

Our world, our self and relationships, are a perfect reflection of what IS and what is happening out there. Not an analogy, but an identity. Black holes, supernovae, quasars, and the like are not just remote cosmic events, but this identical story is represented, reflected, lived, and acted out each day in our lives, by those of us living here on Earth.

It seems that information circulates through the universe and our Identity or sense of our self is this very process of circulation. What we call "Identity" or knowing our self is not only a personal experience, but a relationship, in fact, a circulation, and a process of communion or communication – identification! Not only is there a connection between our life and that of our galaxy and universe, but: WE ARE that connection.

A study of the structure of the universe, at any level (large or small) is a study of our self, and the guidelines of cosmic structure help to illustrate the specific structure of our self. In summary, the idea that I am unfolding here is: astrology is not only a symbolic system of psychological discussion. The symbol is also, in fact, real. If we say it is an analogy, then the analogy is complete down to the limits of any specific example we might chose.

We are all time and space travelers. There are no better words that I know of than these of Emerson:

"All inquiry into antiquity is the desire to do away with this wild, savage, and preposterous There or Then, and introduce in its place, the Here and the Now. Belzoni (an archeologist) digs and measures in the mummy-pits and pyramids of Thebes until he can see the end of the difference between the monstrous work and himself. When he has satisfied himself, in general and in detail, that it was made by such a person as he, so armed and so motivated, and to ends to which he, himself, should also have worked, the problem is solved; his thought lives along the whole line of temples and sphinxes and catacombs, passes through them all with satisfaction, and they live again to the mind, or are NOW." -- Emerson, Essay on History.

A process of self-discovery awaits those who would inquire into the nature and structure of this universe. We may read and study the history and record of astrology through all of the books we have. We may return again and again to our favorite passages to make sure of what we have found there. But, sooner or later, each of us must turn away from the book and just LIVE our life. That is why we study astrology in the first place. As my dharma teaching once said to me: “Michael, someday you must become the book!”

We each must become the book and only that lives which we have known for ourselves to have life, which we have personally lived. As Shakespeare said in one of his early sonnets: "You are no more yourself than you now here live." The philosopher Hegel said the same thing in another way: "We go behind the curtain of the Self to see what is there, but mainly for there to be something to be seen."

There is great value in a reading of the ancient wisdom and documents. What the ancients saw or discovered about themselves, that truth, is still true today. All of the laws of the universe still exist to be known today. We are always free to leave off at reading about our life and cast off into an inquiry, our inquiry, and to live that life we read about. We can learn to know or experience what we are talking or reading about. And now let’s get more back to earth.

Astrophysics

What It All Means - With the rise of space travel and new more powerful telescopes, man has himself stepped out into space. He has gone beyond himself in a fresh inquiry into the nature of his existence. What does this mean for astrologers?

As astrologers, we have a habit of associating or reflecting outward celestial events with a simultaneous change within ourselves. The array of recent astrophysical events and discoveries over the last 40 years may tax even our imagination. In fact, man's understanding of the nature of his universe (and thus himself) has changed in recent years beyond any memory of change that history can offer as guidance. We are in new territory here.

This astrologer can remember when cosmic food for thought was still kind of rare and the use of the astrological imagination had to be encouraged! However, the deluge of fascinating astrophysical information in the last few decades has had the effect of curbing our imagination and even limiting our inquiry to the simple available facts. At least at this time in history, the facts are more inspiring than any flight of the imagination or as it has been repeatedly said: the facts are indeed "stranger than fiction."

In recent years, astrologers have turned from an age-old, very-active state of receiving astronomical information (essentially passive in nature) to a bold, active inquiry into the nature of outer space, and thus into ourselves and our "god" or awareness. It is happening out there in space through astrophysical discovery; it is happening down here within ourselves, through depth psychology, the spread of many spiritual "new age" disciplines, and what-have-you?

An astrological approach to the discoveries of modern astrophysics is actually quite simple. In fact, it can be reduced simply to a study of the life and death struggle of stars and the various kinds of light they produce. In fact it would seem that we can gaze on life and death of star’s more candidly than we dare to examine our own!

With this in mind, let us examine here some of these facts and the ideas or interpretations they seem to generate or suggest. None of this interpretive speculation is intended to be dogmatic. It is simply a first attempt to arrange or order some of this new material and get at least some sense of what it means for the astrology of the future and the present time. In fact, I will not offer too much by way of interpretation. The facts speak for themselves. Let them guide your imagination and interpretation.

Interpreting Deep Space Points

With the advent of deep-space astrology, a question that comes up often is how do we interpret all of these many new objects, like black holes, pulsars, quasars, and the like?

Putting these new objects aside for a moment, we might ask how have astrologers dealt with all of the myriad of stellar points that we have known about for many hundreds (or thousands) of years, points like the named stars, novae, globular clusters, and so on.

The simple truth is that as astrologers we have pretty much ignored all celestial objects beyond our solar system. There are some few books on the fixed stars, I agree, but for the most part these are little more than an attempt to carry forward ancient (Arabic, Greek, Chinese, etc.) notations on a relatively few number of stars.

For example, we might read that the red-giant star Antares pertains to eyesight, and so forth. All together, these (at least the ones that are commonly used in Western astrology) amount to only a handful of stars, no more than would fit in a very small book, if not a pamphlet. My point is that we not only need to find interpretations for some of the exotic new deep-space objects, but all of the well-known stars and other visual stellar objects that have been around for thousands of years also beg for clarity.

In fact, any attempt to notate (and interpret) these long-known visual objects in a linear fashion (one-by-one) is probably doomed to failure. Another way to put this might be that over the centuries we have already done a linear count, and the sum total of what we have to say interpretively about the various visual stars and objects would not even fill a small booklet. That in itself says a lot. Perhaps it is time to take another approach.

The approach I suggest is nothing new for astronomers, but it might just be what we astrologers are looking for. In fact, it is exactly that approach that astronomers have used for hundreds of years: group individual objects of a similar nature together. Instead of trying to find what is unique about a particular object (i.e. Antares affects eyesight, etc.), look instead for what stellar objects share in common, and go from there.

For example, all novae are exploding stars. All novae share this attribute and we can speculate how that might relate to a natal chart, and so on. If we come up with an interpretation for exploding stars, then that would also work for all known and yet-to-be-discovered novae. You get the idea: to what group does the star belong?

As astrologers, we can agree that what is happening out there, whether with the planets or objects much farther away, is also being acted out now, down here on earth. Another way of phrasing this concept is that we are in the middle of all that; we live in the solar system, which lives in the Local System, which lives in the Galaxy, and so forth. We are in there now, and have always been there.

"As above, so below," is the key phrase here. What is writ large across the heavens is acted out (albeit small) here on earth. This is what most astrology is all about. If we can't agree on this, I suggest you read no farther.

If you are still with me, then, not only the planets, aspects, and houses have meaning in our lives, but all of the many myriads of stellar objects also have meaning in our lives. By finding what group an object belongs to will tell us something about how to go about interpreting that object. The only real difference between the old set of visual astronomical objects and the newer astrophysical or deep-space objects is that many of the new objects don't appear to our eyes. They do not shine in the visual spectrum, but rather they shine in some other part of the electromagnetic spectrum, be it through radio emissions on the low end (beneath the visual portion of the spectrum) or X-ray emissions on the high end (above the visual spectrum). But shine they do.

What we have then is a multitude of stellar objects all shining, but shining throughout the entire electromagnetic spectrum, all the way from dim radio emissions on the low end, through infrared, visual, and on to X-ray and Gamma ray emissions on the high end. It is this complete set of objects that we seek to examine for meaning in our astrological charts, the ones that figure prominently in our nativity.

Putting aside the visual stars and objects for the moment, what is so different about these new deep-space objects? As mentioned above, perhaps the main difference is that they have been literally unseen until now. They were always there, but we were not aware of them because they shine at frequencies at which our eyes cannot see. There are objects that shine below the visual part of the spectrum, like infrared stars and the like, and even lower yet are the radio and infrared objects that just kind of sit out there and dimly glow.

Then there are objects that are faster and shine at higher frequencies than the visual spectrum, objects like X-ray sources and Gamma-ray emissions. It is this factor that I feel we should look to for our interpretations. I can only tell you my experience with these deep-space points over the last 30 years or so.

Emissions below the visual spectrum (what we can see with our eyes) seem to measure the general shape of the cosmos, the basic form of the surrounding universe. These low emissions (radio and infrared) paint a picture of the general cosmic structure in which the visual stars that we have known for so long are embedded or fixed. As for how to interpret this structure, I find that it is similar to what we would call psychic or subconscious areas of our mind and life, areas beneath our visual conscious mind.

Whole areas of the sky, such as the galactic center (26-degrees of Sagittarius) have very much more structure, shape, and emissions than do other areas, such as the area opposite the galaxy center (26-degrees of Gemini). But even the anti-center of the galaxy has a lot of material, because our Sun is not all the way to the edge of our galaxy. The direction that has about the least material is zero degrees of Aries. That direction is relatively very empty.

It is the subconscious that we learn to feel our way around in and individuals with psychic talent and skills make it much easier for us to do this. When some of these major radio stars figure prominently in the natal chart, this is a sure sign of some sort of synergy with reaching into the subconscious -- psychic ability. Light shining beneath the visual spectrum is more like feeling the structure of our life, much like the proverbial blind man feeling an elephant's leg. We learn to feel our way around, in areas where we can't see.

At the other end of the visual spectrum (above the visual spectrum) are fast, high-energy sources shining at ultraviolet and X-ray frequencies. This is a very different kind of light, not evoking the shape of the universe, but just the reverse. This high-energy emission cuts right through the radio (and the visual!) pictures, exposing only the very essential point sources of energy. Some high-energy emissions look right through matter itself, just like X-rays do in the dentist chair.

If you have high-energy point sources like black holes, quasars, and X-ray sources prominently configured in your chart, then you have the ability to see right to the heart of things, cutting through any obscurations or shadows and getting right down to it. This X-ray vision is a perfect complement to the more feeling psychic talents, so you can take your pick.

As for practical uses for these two parts of the spectrum, when life gets too cold and theoretical, get together with someone with strong radio (psychic) points in their chart. They will help to ground you and help you feel more like yourself again. They are great for dinner parties and having a good time.

On the other hand, when life gets too much and you have more on your plate than you can handle, get close to someone with high-energy points (X-ray, etc.) in their chart. They will make it easier for you to cut through the crap and see clearly what is important and what needs to be done.

I hope these general interpretive comments are helpful in approaching these new deep-space objects. I have only given you a very brief overview. It can be be fascinating to read about each kind of object, noting their specific qualities, especially if they figure in your natral chart. For example: black holes are super high-energy sources with incredible power at the high end of the electromagnetic spectrum. Their life story is incredible to read about. Have one conjunct your natal sun or other key part of your chart? I would read with great care everything I could about such objects.

I have not forgotten the visual objects that we have observed for centuries, such as the fixed stars. By this point, you should pretty much know what I am going to say. These visual points point are no different as regards interpretation. In fact, they have been around for hundreds of years in full sight - visually. We all have seen them for centuries. They are right out there in the open. Treat them the same as you would any deep-space point. By that I mean that, instead of trying to come up with personal idiosyncrasies for each fixed star, find out what group they belong in and think about what that might mean.

For example, is it a young bright blue star or is it an old dying red star? That much is easy to figure out, just by looking at the spectral type (which we have included). And read about the life progression of stars, because all deep-space astrology is nothing more nor less than the life and death story of stars. Every last object is a star in some part of their life span, much as we are in ours. What more of a hint do you need?

If you will approach all stellar objects in this way, you can learn a lot about them. If they configure strongly in your natal chart, you can read about the whole class of objects and something about yourself.

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The Radio Sky

The above (upper part) picture represents a panoramic view of how the entire sky would appear if our eyes were sensitive to radio waves rather than to light. The lower diagram is the same 360degrees of sky as it might appear visually to our eyes. If we could walk out at night and see in radio frequencies, such a sight would go a long ways toward persuading astrologers as to the existence of preferential directions in space. Some areas of the sky have more things happening in them than do others.

While 'bright' discrete radio sources (like our visual stars) do stand out, the overpowering sense received from such a view is of the overall shape or body of our Milky Way galaxy. At radio frequencies, there is no mistaking the galactic plane and the very heart and center of the galaxy. It abounds with light. Even at visual frequencies, we can renew our sense of cosmic direction almost any night of the year by just walking outside and looking.

Why we cannot see at visual frequencies the great mass of light of the galactic center (GC) is very simple. At visual wavelengths, great clouds of relatively near dust intervene and block our view of the GC and of much of the galactic plane. In general, these dark clouds prevent us from seeing more than a few kilo parsecs in any direction along the galactic plane. If we could see our galaxy from the vantage point of a neighboring galaxy, such as Andromeda, the center would appear filled with light.

Radio and infrared waves are able to bend around the particles of dust and reach us. Only in recent years has it been possible to really "see" the actual center and structure of our galaxy, through non-visual windows in the electromagnetic spectrum. The radio maps of the heavens shown on these pages bring out the basic shape, body, and "aura" of our galaxy. Our dependence upon the physical eye and optical frequencies results in an idea of the heavens as filled with an infinite number of points of light or stars, but otherwise relatively empty of shape and form. It is similar to the human form, if we were only able to see the eyes of a person, but not their shape. The fixed stars are 'set' in space staring at us, but most of us do not have much sense or feel for the fabric or matrix (the body) in which these stars are set. This shape becomes clear in radio maps and it is obvious that the great galaxy is the mother (matrix) and home of the countless stars embedded within it. Radio maps reveal that whole areas of the sky are filled with more light than others and that this light is graded, with a concentration toward the galactic plane and, of course, there is the brilliant galactic nucleus or center.

Until about 40 years ago, our knowledge of the cosmos outside the sphere of the earth came almost entirely only from the light we could collect with large mirrors and lenses via telescopes. In fact "light" meant to us the eye and only the visual part of the electromagnetic spectrum. The atmosphere surrounding the earth is largely opaque (blocks) to most parts of the electromagnetic spectrum, although there are several transparent regions through which we may receive light and thus "look" out into deep space.

These have been termed "windows," and the two most important windows are the optical and radio bands of the light spectrum. If we compare these two windows to the sound spectrum, the radio window represents a ten-octave span, while the optical (visual) window represents a little less than a single octave! There are several other bands of relative transparency in the Infrared range through which appear an almost entirely different set of stars and constellations. In fact, the range of energy between the extremes of the electromagnetic spectrum is so great that very different techniques have evolved for their study.

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The Earth's Aura

The atmosphere of the earth serves to shield the earth from much of the radiation reaching it from outer space, with the exception (as mentioned) of the two windows in the visual and radio frequencies. In recent years research has removed the entire concept of windows, bypassing the atmosphere, through the means of balloons, rockets, and other space vehicles. Beyond our immediate atmosphere, the entire range of the "light" spectrum is wide open to our reception.

In our lifetimes, we have experienced not only a fantastic increase in the receptivity of light, but we have made active outreach beyond the atmosphere and the earth itself. We have stepped away from ourselves into the space beyond and into ideas outside our imagination but a few short years ago.

How are these different kinds of light generated? The answer to this question is the key to understanding how modern astrologers can interpret astrophysics.

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The Kinds of Celestial Light

A key concept is to understand here is that there is light beneath (slower than) visual light and also light above (faster) than the eye can see.

Light beneath the visual, slower light, is that of radio waves and infrared. Radio waves, the longest waves, are generated by oscillating electric currents. The short wave radio waves or microwaves have a wavelength similar to that of sound through air.

Infrared radiation (a hot stove for instance) is produced by rearrangements of the outer electrons in atoms. As mentioned earlier, the human eye is sensitive to a very narrow range of wavelengths corresponding in musical terminology to slightly less than a single octave and this is to be compared to the enormous frequency range to which the human ear is sensitive.

On the other (higher) side of the visual, there is light that is faster or higher than we can see. Ultra-violet light immediately joins the visual spectrum, at the high end. X-rays, higher yet, have wavelengths of the approximate size of atoms and originate in the rearrangement of the innermost electrons in atoms.

The Gamma rays are the electromagnetic waves of highest frequency (and therefore the shortest wavelength) and they originate in the rearrangement of the particles within the atomic nucleus itself. How does our universe appear at these different frequencies?

The Types of Light

Starting with the longer radio waves of several meters, the reading or picture we get is of a universe alive with a radiant haze or constant glow of radiation in all directions. As we move to receivers of higher radio frequencies, certain forms begin to emerge out of the general fog. The haze appears to be brighter or thicker in the direction of the galactic plane and particularly around the galactic nucleus, which is alive with light. The plane of our galaxy is a glowing arch reaching across the heavens. As we further increase the frequency, we penetrate or see more sharply through the radiant fog and real discrete features begin to appear. Extended sources of radiation and at still higher frequencies, point sources or "radio stars" show up, shining at these frequencies more brightly than any other objects in the heavens, yet they have never been seen with the human eye. At yet still higher frequencies, we reach the visual level of radiation, where point sources are the main objects resolved -- the stars. At the yet higher frequencies of the x-ray and gamma ray wavelengths, the energy is so intense that it "looks" or passes right through most materials.

Until recently, our knowledge of the physical universe is a result largely of what we have been able to see in the visible or conscious-mind window. Thanks to the astrophysical discoveries of the 20th Century, we have augmented our visual information, both below the visual (radio frequencies) and above it (X-Ray frequencies).

The rational or conscious mind (visual eye) is no longer required to exclusively carry the burden of leadership in our life, as it has in the past. In other words: our dependence upon the organ of sight and its ideas is to some extent breaking down, and the load it carried is being redistributed among other senses, in addition to the eye. It has been enhanced.

The conscious mind has a long history of discrimination and a particular way of looking at the world. In summary, we are discovering that we can "see" through other senses as well and the future looks brighter as we learn to tolerate and use these new ways of seeing. The results of all of these different portions of the light spectrum do form a unified whole, although we should expect to find astrological specialists working in areas outside of the visual spectrum of the eye or rational mind.

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Radio Frequencies

The universe at radio frequencies, with textures and forms never seen with the eye, is literally a map of our subconscious and the psychic realm. We can expect to find radio astrologers measuring and discovering individuals who personify or represent some of the great radio sources. In other words, by noting and monitoring the astrological positions of great radio and infrared sources, we should be able to better pinpoint and track individuals who personify these sources -- psychics and psychic healers. We can now begin to chart the psychic potential in ourselves. And keep in mind that the entire region around late Sagittarius and early to middle Capricorn is filled with radiant energy. This is the area surrounding the very heart center of the galaxy, the galactic nucleus itself. If that area of your chart is very active, this in itself is a very strong indicator.

At yet higher frequencies, we reach the visual level of radiation, where bright point sources or stars are the main objects resolved. Beyond the visual window are the ultra-high frequencies of the x-ray and gamma ray wavelengths. These waves shine right through much of what we would call matter and indicate the sites of cataclysmic events and massive outpourings of energy beyond our comprehension.

Higher Frequencies

As mentioned, on the other end of the visible spectrum, the higher frequency X-rays and gamma rays, we find a measurement of what we can only call the super conscious, where we do not find so much broad strokes and texture, as powerful point sources clearly seeing right through the form and structure so visible at radio frequencies. We can expect to see X-ray astrologers whose chief interest is not form, but light as never before measured. We should be able to chart and measure X-ray sources and those who have the gift of clairvoyance or clear seeing -- seeing right to the heart of the matter.

Above all, these new techniques will mean a discovery and appreciation of a variety of types of genius besides the familiar fixed stars that have captivated our attention for so long. We will be able to find and know radio and x-ray light and genius, alongside of the familiar visual stars and astrology.

Perhaps we will learn to go to those among us who can feel at radio frequencies, the psychics and "sensors," and learn better how to "feel" and explore the feeling and texture of our life. When we have trouble appreciating or feeling our lives, we can learn to do this through those with very strong radio sources in their charts. They will help to put us in touch with ourselves once again.

On the other hand, we will go to the X-ray genius when we hurt or "feel" too much, and benefit from their vision that sees through our feeling and clears us up. Persons with prominent X-ray stars or black holes in their chart will have the gift to cut through our fog and resolve our problems, clearing them up – instant cauterization. We will seek them out when we are lost in our confusions.

Again: the vision that occurs to me is a new appreciation and tolerance for all of the different kinds of light and their human representatives. The psychic or radio genius can accurately see or feel and tell us truths about ourselves that we personally may have never known how to feel for ourselves, and the X-ray or reflective genius cuts through our feelings and mirrors our self to us, that we may accept this self as it is.

An initial fear of this author when first I considered all of the very many new radio and x-ray points was that I would not be able to make sense of so many points and would somehow spread myself too thin. In fact, this never happened. In fact the opposite is true. Understanding how all objects can be grouped brought relief and made dealing with all these objects much more manageable.

My investigations show that each of us will be drawn to study those kinds of points that we in fact are and act out in life. I was drawn inexorably to just those points that figure most clearly in my horoscope, and discovered in these remote cosmic events my innermost feeling and self. I greatly feared being "lost out there in the stars" and my faith in life has increased very much as I experience a great return from my inquiry and a coming to better know my self. I have no longer any sense of there being any "Other" out there but, no, just my self, and my life out there as in here. No other: One.

Astrophysical Directions

In this section, I would like to introduce you to several of the more advanced considerations and techniques involving cosmic structure. I would also like to share with you some of my own questions that have occurred over the years. Let me make it clear that it has often been very difficult for me to come to feel I understand much of the information presented here. This is due (in the beginning) to an almost complete ignorance on my part of astronomy and mathematics, as well as a deep feeling of insecurity about technical issues in general, and this required me to go over and over simple facts until I felt that I understood what they signified. This learning experience has been, for me, a personal odyssey of immense value and also high adventure.

As for the astronomy, do not expect to absorb what astrologers have made a point of avoiding for centuries in a few days. Take your time and develop a feel for this material. Don’t worry about "what it all means” for the present. The outer space surrounding our birth is filled with countless stars and objects. These objects, whose sheer numbers may 'boggle' the mind can all be ordered according to the fabric or system to which they belong or are members. An understanding of the basic matrix or fabric in which they objects are nested or embedded will bypass the need to try to interpret them one-by-one in an attempt to somehow count and interpret all the stars.

Astrologers have lost much of the grasp they once had on the astronomy and mathematics of their field. In past centuries, as any history book will demonstrate, astrologers were both astronomers and mathematicians. They held a very responsible place in society, a position that was respected, and one that provided a reasonable living.

Astrology in our times is generally held in low esteem, and the individuals practicing it are made to feel shame for charging money for their skills. In my mind, there may well be a direct connection between the state of our art and the loss of the more physical or “scientific” part of our art, the astronomy and math. I have spent many years investigating the heliocentric system of event expression, by itself, and in relation to our traditional geocentric concepts. This has involved not only the doing of many tens of thousands of charts, but also a great many individual readings in which both geo and helio charts were consulted. What follows is not pure speculation, but has emerged to my attention through many years of study. Let me recount to you, in brief, how I got into investigating the larger life of our solar system – heliocentric.

In the beginning, I was propelled in this direction by an increasing dissatisfaction with the results of existing astrological techniques and by the thrill of the unknown. After I got over the "newness" of helio charts and the extreme discomfort of not having familiar landmarks such as the Moon, the houses, and chart angles to guide me, it dawned on me that the helio planetary patterns (in particular what I have come to call whole-chart configurations, where several major aspects combine to form a whole gestalt or 360° picture) represented our zodiac in a purity or at a level of significance not before encountered by me.

After several years of this work, during which much of my geocentric astrological activity was suspended, I attempted to return to Earth (so to speak) and to begin to combine the helio with the traditional geocentric techniques. I then encountered a singular and life-changing problem. It became quite clear to me that the zodiac or ecliptic, whether expressed through helio or geocentric planetary positions, was heliocentric or Sun centered in essence, a much less "mundane" plane of reference than I could remember it. Let me restate this:

When first venturing into helio research, I had assumed that I was moving from the very practical and specific methods of geocentric astrology to a more "spiritual," generic, and higher level or order of information (heliocentric). This was, in fact, the case.

An unexpected side result, however, was my growing awareness that our traditional geocentric sphere (all of our zodiac concerns) was also of a very high or spiritual (psychological, if you prefer) nature and much less the "nitty gritty," down-to-earth exact affair that I assumed and/or remembered. A different and stark understanding of myself and my fellow astrologers began to occur, one in which I could see that I was much less practical and much more of a dreamer than I could ever before have admitted.

As a part of this experience I began to see that astrologers (as a group) had let lapse or somehow lost almost all their means to specify or communicate their vision to the general public. In particular, they no longer understood the equatorial and horizon systems of coordinates and planes, even though without them, a standard astrological chart could not be constructed. Modern astrologers have little idea what these auxiliary coordinate systems are, much less how they might be interpreted. This is particularly true for the helio chart.

Well, everything began to "flip-flop" in this learning experience, which by that point for me was a waking vision. As an astrologer, I had a built-in thirst and love for such powerful or sensitive zodiac points as the Ascendant the MC, Vertex, and the house cusps. In fact, like many astrologers, I longed to find and extract even more such meaningful points from my well-worn zodiac.

The Sacred Zodiac

Until that time, it had never occurred to me that the 'specificity' or 'individuality' of these sensitive points were provided by the horizon and equatorial planes, as much as by the zodiac. In other words, it is the plane of the horizon that marks out the specific degree of my Ascendant from the other 360 possible degrees. I had unconsciously given all credit for this ability or "power" to the zodiac alone and none to the horizon. In truth, I hardly even knew what the horizon was, other than (perhaps) as a diagram in an astronomy book.

I began to see that astrologers have let lapse their conscious use and awareness of these other coordinate planes, although all three systems must be used to calculate every last natal chart! I found that I had been trying to induce and extract all meaning from the familiar zodiac alone, which is similar to trying to climb up out of the middle of a deep lake when we feel the need for dry land. And I was not alone in this.

Astrologers have for some centuries now lost the ability to deliver the kind of very specific information that is available through mastery and conscious use of the equator and horizon system of coordinates. Instead, they have clung to the vestiges of such specificity as found in the Ascendant, house cusps, etc. The public's demand for such specifics has been satisfied (in our times) more by the "psychic" or intuitive gifts of modern astrologers, than by the use of any comprehensive astrological technique.

If astrologers live in 'specific' poverty, it is because they refuse to master the means to get the attention of this very result-oriented world and this means is available to them through the reacquisition of the lost branches of their art/science: astronomy and mathematics. If astrologers do have a holistic and "spiritual" message to deliver to these times, they will have to get public attention, not through their intuition alone, but also through dependable and predictable results. We must deliver. This book is intended to re-introduce astrologers to their own astronomical heritage.

For those interested in a complete exposition of this material, including all the actual points, see my book "The Astrology of Space," which is available on Amazon.com as a paperback.
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Re: The Astrology of Space

Postby Bruce_Lyon on Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:43 pm

Hi Michael,

Carrying over a thread from the heliocentric discussion, you say:

"Most important is the fact that we are an integral part of the cosmos, not some lonely outpost. In fact, each of us is a node or information aggregate and the universe is in intimate contact with itself only through us – through our eyes. We are part of the cosmic information conduit, the eyes of the universe. The cosmos sees through our eyes, itself."

This is a beautiful realisation. As our awareness opens to this universal perspective it makes sense that we expand our sense of self. The move from a geo to helio chart tracks this expansion. The sun was always seen as important to the geo chart but external to the identity. In the helio chart we locate our centre ON that sun. The galactic centre is the next major expansion as the galaxy contains the solar system and the solar system embraces the earth. Most approaches to deep space or galactic astrology focus on the importance of those points where cosmic manifestations appear in our charts - either geo or helio. We ask the question 'what does the galactic centre mean to us' just as we once asked 'what does the sun mean to us' here on earth.
Self realisation involves becoming or identifying with that which we seek to relate to. Therefore does it not make sense, as well as trying to relate to deep space objects from the outside to also attempt identification from the inside? If this follows then the natural progression from a heliocentric perspective is a galacto-centric perspective. What would it do to our consciousness to sit at the core of the galaxy and gaze out at the sun just as we now can sit in the sun and gaze out at earth? I have found the attempt invigorating and vitalising and would like to relate to others who are making a similar attempt.

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Re: The Astrology of Space

Postby Michael Erlewine on Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:43 pm

Dear Bruce,

Thanks for the post. There are several topics in your post I might comment on.

Supersets: As mentioned in another post, I agree that the helio chart is a superset of the geo chart and that we very much can share in the consciousness of our Sun, depending on our openness and awareness, and already always have. The geo and helio charts are, in my opinion, within our personal experience.

Great Centers: As my teacher always said to me: “Michel, don’t say nobody knows; just say you don’t know,” and I don’t know from personal experience anything about recognition or awareness at the level of the Galactic Center (GC) or the Supergalactic Center (SGC). As these centers contain almost all of the significant mass in the known universe, I do look at them in astrology charts, in particular if a planet (especially the Earth/Sun) is in conjunction with these points.

Years ago, I suggested that the GC can be interpreted as easily as combining the two signs (later Sagittarius and early Capricorn), and that this kind of energy is comparable to the Judeo-Christian religions. In other works there is a somewhat martial element to it. I believe the word I used back then was “Macho.”

I also suggested that by combining the two zodiac signs Virgo and Libra, the care of Virgo and the response-ability of Libra, represented the nature of the SGC at about 1 degree of Libra. This was back in the 1970s. I still feel this way.

I do use these great centers as directions in space and as cluster points of energy rather than having any sense whatsoever of personally realizing what they see or mean, although of course I have always pointed out that we are representatives of these great centers. I just don’t know how conscious that kind of realization could be. Which brings me to my third and most important point:

The Sun

The Sun: It is my firm belief after about 40 years of research that the key to a modern astrology, the key to moving beyond the astrology of the 20th Century and before, has to do with the Sun, and I am not referring to learning about your helio chart. Of course we should all do that.

And I don’t simply mean the fact that astrologers failed to absorb and take to heart as the astronomers did, the discovery that Earth revolved around the Sun and not vice versa. I wrote about that in another post and continue to point out the need for a corresponding spiritual realization that awaits astrologers sooner or later. And that realization will be a major initiation for astrologers.

More important than that is our understanding of the major light, the Sun, and this is also true for esoteric astrology, which is why we might have a discussion over in the Esoteric Astrology Forum.

The term “Esoteric Astrology” is a general term, but has often been used to refer to the particular work of Alice Bailey and the “Seven Ray” astrology system. What follows has is not based on the work of Alice Bailey, but was inspired by the teachings of Andrew Gunn McIver, a Rosicrucian teacher and initiator.

Esoteric Astrology is for the most part about the Sun or Self, and here we are not referring to simply the physical Sun but also to the life and processes of the entire solar system as an entity, which is in occult literature often simply called the “Monad.”

In our western astrological literature (traditional astrology as well as the esoteric teachings), the Sun has always been associated with the concept of the Self and the two are synonymous here in this writing. Esoteric astrology concerns itself with the mysteries of the Sun as a solar entity and the Self as, well, the same self on a personal level that you and I refer to all the time, when we say me, myself, and I. Western astrology assumes the Self to be an existent entity, just like we believe our Self exists from day to day.

Eastern astrology and philosophy also refer to the concept of the Self, but in that tradition the Self is seen as appearing (just as we assume), but beyond the appearance the Self is assumed to have no true existence. Like an onion, this concept of the self has no center, and when the last layer is seen through or peeled away, there is nothing in fact at the center. It is a fabrication long accumulated that actually blocks our view of the true nature of the mind, or as the Tibetan say, “The only cloud in an otherwise cloudless sky.”

This may sound like spiritual or abstract mumbo-jumbo, but there is a very real practical reason why this concept of the Self is worth wrestling with, and this has to do with ideas of reincarnation and the afterlife, something Asians assume to be a fact, and many Westerners wonder about. Either way, in the esoteric astrology of either East or West, the Self is an important concept that needs our attention today.

In our overly caffeinated internet-driven life, this next remark may pass through our brain in a nanosecond and be gone, but I ask that we stop and give it some consideration please.

Whole nations and societies have worshiped the Sun, and it was not just to get a good tan. Deities like Ra and Horus in ancient Egypt, the Nordic Sol, the Greek Helios, the Vedic Surya, and many others come to mind. There is something about their devotion to the Sun that should command at the very least our curiosity and hopefully our respect. What was that adoration all about? Well, it was about what we are trying to discuss here. Without first facing and understanding the Self or Sun, little real progress can be made in esoteric studies. In fact, most western esoteric astrology gets to the threshold of the Sun and just stops.

To begin with the Sun is blinding! We cannot even look at it in the sky unaided, much less look behind it or around it to what message might be beyond its sheer light. For the most part in this post and others perhaps to come, I will present the western esoteric view of the Self/Sun and leave the eastern view to the side.

However, since it is my belief that in the West we have never actually solved the solar mystery (and the Asians have!), I will gradually introduce the view of the Sun/Self as understood in the East. So assume I am presenting the western tradition, unless I tell you differently, although almost all of the proponents of this tradition in the West call their work (or they have been labeled), “Esoteric Buddhism.”

Writers like Madam Blavatsky, Annie Besant, Alice Bailey and others state that they were inspired by Tibetan teachers either in the flesh or in the mind, so it will be hard to separate the two, “Esoteric Buddism” and “Buddhism,” but they are distinct. Buddhism (as in Tibetan Buddhism) is not “Esoteric Buddhism,” and vice versa. Esoteric Buddhism of the Alice Bailey and Blavatsky type is not Buddhism as taught in Tibet or Asia, yet both have their uses. We should be clear about that.

The Sun and the Moon are called “The Lights,” with the Sun as the greater light, and the Moon as the lesser light. Esoterically speaking the Sun is not just a body of light, but the entire solar system of Earth, Moon, planets, etc. plus the ever ongoing process of life in that system that is spiraling eternally through space in an orbit around the galactic center. This is the concept of the Monad.

In our traditional geocentric astrology, the fact that we identify the Sun with the Self automatically invokes a link to a heliocentric interpretation for, as mentioned, the Sun is much more than just one more body in the natal chart. It is ‘the’ major “light” and that major light is the center of our life system, the provider to Earth of all significant light, warmth, and thereby life. The Sun is the root of our experience of the Self. I trust all of you reading this know what the Sun stands for in standard exoteric astrology, the astrology used today by astrologers the world around.

Here I am interested in presenting some of the esoteric or hidden meaning behind the Sun and, by definition, the very fact that it is occult and not obvious means that its inherent subtlety makes it very difficult to grasp with an untrained mind. The Tibetans call this type of esoteric knowledge “self secret” in that it hides itself in the one place we cannot easily access, and that is in plain sight - the obvious. It is so much always with us that we are not aware of it. We ‘are’ it and, for the most part, we don’t know who or what we are.

I could go on and no-doubt will as Bruce and I discuss things, but this is a start. Bruce I am sure I have a lot to learn about how Alice Bailey’s concept of the Sun relates to how I understand it. We should probably continue this topic in the 'Esoteric Astrology' forum, and I sm movinhg this text there as a starter.
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Re: The Astrology of Space

Postby Bruce_Lyon on Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:22 pm

Hello Michael,

I have replied in The Esoteric Astrology section to your post but just wanted to take one thread of your comments further here:

"I do use these great centers as directions in space and as cluster points of energy rather than having any sense whatsoever of personally realizing what they see or mean, although of course I have always pointed out that we are representatives of these great centers. I just don’t know how conscious that kind of realization could be"

If a greater centre was emergent in the consciousness of humanity, what might that look like? At the moment there is a lot of attention focused on the galactic centre as 2012 and the mayan calendar capture the imagination. However precise the astronomy the core idea is an association in consciousness between our solar system and the galaxy of which it is a part.

My reasoning about the psychology of this process goes like this:

Developmentally, in the 'solar age' there are just a few 'stars' at first - Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed and so forth - human beings who have made it through into a deeper dimension of what it means to be human and are able to found lineages that ( at first ) help others to make that journey into becoming 'suns'. Then, as evolution develops more and more people become solar - just witness the outpicturing of this in reality tv shows :) or you-tube. Everyone wants to be a star. Once we were all happy to orbit round a few bright shiny ones but now we have facebook.

Psychologically if human beings are 'suns' then the collective, our galaxy, is humanity. Humanity is a lovely concept but what if it was becoming a living emergent reality arising in the core or centre of each star or sun. As each human soul awakens and peels away their onion what we find is humanity itself as an 'identity' emerging. As that one life emerges it strips away all the layers of distinction - race, religion, politics.

If this is so then a useful contemplative path that would help to draw us in that direction would be the attempt to identify with the whole of humanity itself rather than try to emulate one particular solar expression of that humanity. Sitting in the galactic centre we look out and contemplate the six billion incarnate suns with their millions of years of evolution, their traditions and strivings to survive, understand, love, awaken and finally add their own unique note to the galactic song.

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Re: The Astrology of Space

Postby Michael Erlewine on Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:41 pm

I believe I understand you, but my point, which I have not been able to make clear is this:

They will always be an endless outside adding on of new planets, new clusters of this or that, and on and on. Whatever lifeline or information stream that connects all of these centers reaches our sun, which resonates with all else out there.

We can’t physically reach out there to the Galactic Center. Our trams don’t yet go that far.

These astrophysical directions are wonderful, wonderful, but they only offer a relative truth, which means they are a path to get from here to there. We can be already there.

We can look into ourselves and our mind which is already (and has been) always there because (as I keep trying to express) we are the intelligent life of not just the Sun, but of the Galaxy and all else anywhere. Our mind is part of the mind of the Sun, of the Galaxy, of the Supergalaxy. Rather than even think of being out there, we have only to turn inward and know the mind and we are already there because the mind cannot be measured and knows no distance of any kind.

To me, worries or wonders about distance are a subtle form of materialism. Nothing wrong with that, but just not needed in order to know. I celebrate with you your joy in these things, because I know them too, but for me the interest in this vanished long ago. This does not mean I don’t like discussing them, just that they no longer interest me. I can ride on your interest, however, for awhile.
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Re: The Astrology of Space

Postby Bruce_Lyon on Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:14 pm

aaah but Michael your argument sounds no different to me than the arguments died in the wool geocentric astrologers make about helio-centric astrology. Why do we need to go to the sun when all we need is right here? At the centre of our very being is the one self so why not stay right here?
As Eliot says 'the end of all our journeys is to arrive where we started and know it for the first time'. We travel ( and I am not talking about going by tram ) even psychologically in order to deepen our identification with what we already are. We engage others, teachers, lovers, higher centres in order to know ourselves - who are also 'them'- more fully. You say you can't imagine identifying as a galaxy and then say you don't need to because you have already found the door to all being inside yourself - through the sun. I say great and if you were merely indulging me as a teacher who already knows calculus indulges one who is trying to learn algebra then I say thanks for taking the time and c ya :) . However if you see learning as an ever evolving process where we come to know deeper realities by being willing to take all we know and toss it into the fire in the presence of one another, then I say
" wonderful, I have found a fellow traveller on the great path'. The poetry from 40 years ago resonates less fully with me than your presence in this dialogue.

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Re: The Astrology of Space

Postby Michael Erlewine on Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:44 pm

Not indulging you for sure. Not your teacher.

Fellow traveler, but taking perhaps a different route.

Geocentric arguments not similar in my mind. Need a better argument than that.

No need for us to be the same, but to find and appreciate our differences is nice.

I too see learning as an endless process, but the scaffolding that we use, the shells that once contained life go void for me after some time, which does not mean they do not hold life for others. I respect your enthusiams and interest, but just don't share it in some things, which is as important (and as informative) to note than where we agree.

I may have mispoke, but what I thought I said and what I meant to write is that while I can imagine identifying with any deeper center (and have), that I am not aware of having the experience of realizing those centers, beyond the Sun. I am open to it, but I have no memory of doing so. I assume I am (like all of us) already living that identification and that I am just not subtle enough in my awareness to know it. That is how I look at these things and I hope I have been consistant in that.

I like my poem, which when articulated properly (perhaps only by me) and spoken aloud (of course), it recreates the concept of the Monad in my mind, which is the only reason it was written down in the first place.

In Chinese astrology, balance is everything.
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Postby Bruce_Lyon on Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:36 pm

Sure, different paths, same path, balance - I can go with that, thanks.

Let me try to make a statement that reflects what I understand of the path as you describe it in astrology of the heart.

At the saturn return ( archetypally ) the growth of form ends, we die to materialistic expansion and begin to make the journey back through the seven chakras. At earth, the heart we arrive back at our centre and realise it is all here, heaven is not found elsewhere, but in the very life we have. Beyond that the journey leads through love, venus - to buddha awareness - mercury, and then into the sun itself. We realise ourselves as pure awareness shining as and through the whole system. This light has always been who we are.

what I am trying to say is that, behind that light, in its very shining - is a dark light - the light of the galactic centre which permeates the whole of the galaxy just as the sun 'light' of consciousness permeates the whole solar system. And that there is a door at the heart of the sun, that leads to the realisation of this 'dark light'.

So here, I think we are saying the same thing - subtle identifications are present at deeper levels of our being awaiting our attention.

In this sense I do think the geo/helio debate is relevant. I may not have the level of rounded out solar development that others like yourself have and I recognise. In this area however I am not just interested from a conceptual level. It is a deep experiential process that has reoriented my consciousness and my energetic system as radically as the heliocentric reorientation did. There are many geocentric astrologers uninterested in heliocentric observations and I think the same is true for galacto-centric but we all must go where our resonance takes us in both the inner and outer worlds.

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Re: The Astrology of Space

Postby Michael Erlewine on Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:34 am

Yes, your description of what is presented in “Astrology of the Heart” is roughly right. I would add that at and after the Saturn return there is always the opportunity to develop spiritual awareness and to consciously make the journey inward toward the Sun, but many are not able to do that as far as I can see. This is what the Christians call being “Born Again,” and so on, but they don’t own the concept.

As for the ‘dark light’, I have no experience here. Yes, I vaguely follow the results in modern astrophysics, but more from sources like Newsweek Magazine than from the scientific journals. In other words, I still speak a little deep-space astrology, but the concepts I use are those current when I was active in this area, which was almost 40 years ago. I am happy to speak it with you now, but probably have to be more of a listener than a speaker when it comes to what is happening right now in these areas.
I am all ears and you will have to carry on the research I was doing back then. I have only limited interest in it now, which is not to say I don’t consider it important. We each go where the interest for us is. Otherwise we would find ourselves trying to re-invent ourselves, which never is any fun at all.

As for your descriptions of helio/geocentric, where I happen to still be very interested, what you have expressed here (as far as I can tell) does not ring the bell for me. As for “rounded out solar development that others like yourself have,” what others are those? I am not aware of anyone, but would like to be in contact with similar individuals if you would point them out. I am about the only one I know who identified to the degree (as we are discussing here) with the helio. I believe it is more a case of the torch being passed and you inheriting a somewhat different equation to solve.

As for as comparing the heliocentric and the galacto-centric reorientation, I would agree: there is little interest by astrologers, and never has been to my knowledge. What is important and here is what I am trying to point out:

It does not matter which topic or center you reorient your consciousness through (helio, GC, SPC, universe, etc.). What IS important is that realization, the identification - the process itself. It is the identification that is crucial and this is (in my opinion) what we share in common, which does make us brothers of a kind. As I have written many times: “Identification is Circulation,” identity is circulation and circulation is key.

Whether I worked with identifying through the helio sysem or you through the galacto-centric system makes little difference. It is natural for you to vitalize whatever you find of importance in the moment, and as I see it that is the shell of this same kind of work just as I left it when I found myself passing on. We don’t often get to finish our work, because our real ‘work’ is not this or that topic or form (the material), but rather the identification process itself. I am still identifying, and more enthusiastically than ever, just not through the algebra or language of modern astrophysics. You are living there now and I celebrate that! Because of your interest I have been able to return to the subject and speak with you now. Otherwise, in that area, I am already long gone. We have, in that respect at least, a bit of a lineage going here and that is REAL identification and real circulation.
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Re: The Astrology of Space

Postby Bruce_Lyon on Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:41 pm

Hi Michael,

Identification is Circulation. Yes - this principle along with the other two that you put forward in your book on Astrophysical directions - ie inclination and the capacity of a higher centre to reflect the intrinsic nature of a lower one - are classics in my view and a real contribution to this emerging direction in astrology.

Another place we can agree I think is that the outer universe and our inner universe are connected - not just symbolically but literally. The physical characteristics of the universe have their reflections in our psyhcological understanding and vice versa. If we want to know want something means to us it is relevant to look at its form. You use this understanding in order to 'read' deep space points like supernovae and black holes. I always thought it was interesting for example that some stars end their lives as great diamonds - the core material collapsing into carbon and going no further.
We equate the stage of consciousness called 'soul' with stars and in the east we have preserved for us the idea of the Buddha as the 'diamond soul' or the great perfection of consciousness.

One of the reasons I think astrologers and people in general do not readily 'let their hearts and minds go out into deep space' is because it is disorienting to their 'identification' as they are experiencing it. Ego-centric or what I call 'planetary identification' concerns their personal self and survival. Understanding the universe is not immediately applicable to paying the rent or finding a mate. We are drawn to that which interests us. Heliocentric astrology seems to be interesting to people when they are are shifting their identification to the soul or to the pure consciousness principle. From the solar perspective they still have a personality but instead of identifying with it ( only ) it has become an object within the field of consciousness that they can circulate in and out of.

If deeper or more expanded centres in outer space have their correspondences in inner space then the sun or soul arises or is revealed inside our personal consciousness. What I am suggesting both conceptually and experientially is that inside our soular awareness ...as consciousness itself....a deeper realisation - what might be called 'life' arises. The outer symbol for this is the galactic centre. And so on with the SGC and universal centre.
It is not just that our consciousness can take or identify with these different 'perspectives' - which indeed it can - but that these centres are embedded in our consciousness and the movement from one centre to another is as distinct as the movement from egocentric awareness to the 'awareness awareness' of the soul.

If this is so then it is not just a question of 'circulating one's consciousness through different levels' . That would imply that the consciousness circulating is somewhat static. As you say, it is the identity which is circulating and not the consciousness. Each identification has its own attendant states of consciousness. And there is only one ( or no ) identity.
This last removes all arrogance and all competition between perspectives. We are merely the parts of the universal self that is experiencing through different identifications and different sheaths of consciousness. And when even this white knuckled fist of universal self identity opens...well...all is perfectly arising in emptiness.

so I celebrate the resonance with your work several decade ago and also the diversity of the 'somewhat different equations'. The real jewel to me is 'meeting in the presence' which shines through all perspectives.

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