[Greetings. This is copied from a thread at astrologyweekly.com forum where I answered a rather 'Lonely Heart' as per her 'T' Square. A Saturn-Jupiter/Venus/Moon 'T' Square.
This method is suggested by the writings of Rudhyar and/or is extrapolated from it.]
"Well, I may get chewed out abit for this...as I am a Sabian Astrologer and this is not the 'Sabian Forum.' [and I am a 'Modernist' primarily 'Rudhyarian' in technique.]
'T' squares are handled by focusing on the missing part to the 'Cross configuration' that the 'T' square is a part of, [The focus point is the 'Release'!] By taking an average of all the players in the 'T' Square...I get 28* 59' Libra...[that's shaving it a bit]...it could be the next degree.
Thus in Sabian analysis the Symbol for the 29th degree of Libra..i.e. the missing point...becomes...symbolically...the attitude or action one wants to employ and integrate into the cross pattern [that is formed by this additional point/degree of the Zodiac] by focusing on this 'phantom' point and employing the principle[s] indicated by the Sabian Symbol you will experience a release from the 'Tension' that is the 'T' Square.
This is symbolically [by Rudhyars book];
"(LIBRA 29°): MANKIND'S VAST AND ENDURING EFFORT TO REACH FOR KNOWLEDGE TRANSFERABLE FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION.
KEYNOTE: A deep sense of participation in, and commitment to, social processes which seek to bring to all men Truth and a greater Life.
The most characteristic trait in human nature is the ability to "bind time" (as Korzybsky once stated): that is, to transfer to other men as yet unborn the harvest of his conscious experiences and his deliberate endeavors. This ability far transcends instinct and biological mutations, for it is based on consciousness, choice, will and self-sacrifice for the sake of future human beings. It rests upon a deep feeling of the value of "community"; its use increases this feeling and eventually destroys the roots of loneliness.
This fourth stage symbol suggests the technique that makes a life truly "human." To join other men and women in the vast process of a living civilization is to fulfill the basic implications of the human stage of cosmic evolution — a stage characterized by CONSCIOUS PARTICIPATION."
...that's my take on this...I'm sure other Astrologers will be 'chiming' in...and a few will dismiss my contribution But, what Rudhyar said here: "...its use increases this feeling and eventually destroys the roots of loneliness." is most poignant considering the inquiry....let your heart, mind and soul guide you.
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Proposed technique for resolving 'T' Squares
by David_Mastrogiovanni on Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:06 am
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Re: Proposed technique for resolving 'T' Squares
by David_Mastrogiovanni on Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:58 am
Note to all:
I did notice this womans Venus -Mars Quintile and the [rather weak] Venus-Pluto trine and informed Her of such and the potential.
I did notice this womans Venus -Mars Quintile and the [rather weak] Venus-Pluto trine and informed Her of such and the potential.
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Re: Proposed technique for resolving 'T' Squares
by David_Mastrogiovanni on Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:00 am
...I'm adding a couple of my posts in answer to a forum members query about Squares...and it is a sub-topic here ....from astrologyweekly.com
I know this is unproven and i am only proposing it here although I've promoted it as being a solution in other forums...I'm that sure of it...but I do respect the expertise that this forums membership represents...thus, I'm humbly offering this explanation here more as a 'proposal' of technique...D M
"Think of Oppositions and Squares thus: An Opposition is like two cars at an intersection....each going in opposite direction...it is easily allowed if one understand s the way to allow it...each gives the other the space to proceed and thus they assist one another.
A square is of the same simile but in this case...one must concede the 'right of way' to the other...both get to proceed...but one must decide who gets to go first.
...ps...If you read my treatise on why the present module of the Zodiac having alternate polarity, one sign to the next, is in error and rather should be recognized as being divided half and half, like a Yin-Yang symbol, and if you agree with that, you'll possibly see why the opposite degree is the 'Attraction' and the urge to merge [..ahem...] is in effect as a natural law."
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and also...
"...all oppositions are about 'Integration' of principles...and a 'T'* square is just a Grand Cross that is incomplete in form...but not function...
You see, every Planet in your natal is attempting to also become the symbolism of the opposite degree...or to integrate it to become complete...[which is probably the more appropo. explanation.]
Thus...remember that in a 'Grand Cross' situation what is occurring is the same as what occurs in ones chart axis via Rudhyars analysis..."Who"...'Where-To"..."How" & "Why"...Think of each Planet in a square as being the Asc....the "Who" and delineate from there using the formula provided by Dane.
[This is by Sabian analysis...and if you don't believe in the validity of the Sabians ...then disregard what I said...and good luck!}"
*ps I neglected to add the 'T' ...didn't catch this mistake until today [10/16/11 thank you. DM]
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...and this wonderful quote...
From June Wakefields book, "Cosmic Astrology" [she couldn't remember the source of this quote but said it "illustrates the value of the Square".]
"The Square is the aspect of strength and duty,
The Trine is the aspect of peace and beauty,
If to the moral of the first you be true
The second will be a servant to you"
I know this is unproven and i am only proposing it here although I've promoted it as being a solution in other forums...I'm that sure of it...but I do respect the expertise that this forums membership represents...thus, I'm humbly offering this explanation here more as a 'proposal' of technique...D M
"Think of Oppositions and Squares thus: An Opposition is like two cars at an intersection....each going in opposite direction...it is easily allowed if one understand s the way to allow it...each gives the other the space to proceed and thus they assist one another.
A square is of the same simile but in this case...one must concede the 'right of way' to the other...both get to proceed...but one must decide who gets to go first.
...ps...If you read my treatise on why the present module of the Zodiac having alternate polarity, one sign to the next, is in error and rather should be recognized as being divided half and half, like a Yin-Yang symbol, and if you agree with that, you'll possibly see why the opposite degree is the 'Attraction' and the urge to merge [..ahem...] is in effect as a natural law."
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and also...
"...all oppositions are about 'Integration' of principles...and a 'T'* square is just a Grand Cross that is incomplete in form...but not function...
You see, every Planet in your natal is attempting to also become the symbolism of the opposite degree...or to integrate it to become complete...[which is probably the more appropo. explanation.]
Thus...remember that in a 'Grand Cross' situation what is occurring is the same as what occurs in ones chart axis via Rudhyars analysis..."Who"...'Where-To"..."How" & "Why"...Think of each Planet in a square as being the Asc....the "Who" and delineate from there using the formula provided by Dane.
[This is by Sabian analysis...and if you don't believe in the validity of the Sabians ...then disregard what I said...and good luck!}"
*ps I neglected to add the 'T' ...didn't catch this mistake until today [10/16/11 thank you. DM]
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...and this wonderful quote...
From June Wakefields book, "Cosmic Astrology" [she couldn't remember the source of this quote but said it "illustrates the value of the Square".]
"The Square is the aspect of strength and duty,
The Trine is the aspect of peace and beauty,
If to the moral of the first you be true
The second will be a servant to you"
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Re: Proposed technique for resolving 'T' Squares
by David_Mastrogiovanni on Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:01 pm
...here's another case example...from astrologyweekly.com...a member posted: [I include their chart]
"I'm completely stagnant, I don't know where I'm going & my life stays the same
I have no motivation and I suffer from apathy. My Natal Chart tells me otherwise...that I have a lot of energy given that I have my mars in the 1st house, and that I can accomplish a lot... Then why is my life so dull?
Read into my chart and help me understand. "
...and my reply:
[NOTE...OTHER MEMBERS BEFORE ME POINTED TO THE 'T' SQUARE...]
a solution to 'T' Squares can be found and it is through Sabian Symbology.
Find the average degree between the existing members of the 'T' Square...in your case you must also add in Neptune as it is in this matrix also...thus you have an average of 15* 09'...now find that degee and symbol in Aries. In astrological degree symbols enumeration there is no zero...just like there is no year 0 AD or 0 BC....thus this is the 16th degree of Aries.
A 'T' Square is searching for a realese of this tenion that is built up among the Planets/Luminaries...whatever...that are involved in the matrix...the release is the missing polarity...you must take the symbol found at Aries 16* and...either...implement it, or integrate it into your mentality/outlook/reasoning ...exemplify it ...etc...
As this degree happens to be the natal degree of my Venus I am most pleased to present to you this symbol...[and see my pics of 'nature spirts in the twilight' here at the forum in the 'Show Off" sub forum...]:cool::biggrin:
" (ARIES 16°): NATURE SPIRITS ARE SEEN AT WORK IN THE LIGHT OF SUNSET.
KEYNOTE: Attunement to the potency of invisible forces, of nature.
In the light of personal fulfillment (symbol of sunset and wisdom) man may be able to establish a life-giving contact with natural forces. These are active any time growth processes take place, but man's individualized mind is usually too focused on working for consciously set goals to be able to realize concretely the presence of invisible (or "occult") forces in operation. These forces constitute a specific realm of any planetary life. They are inherent in all "biospheres," on whatever planet. They are non-individualized and un-free energies forming in the substratum of all life processes - thus of the process of integration at the level of the planet-as-a-whole, i.e. the planet as an organism with its automatic systems of growth, maintenance and organic multiplication. In this planetary organism those nature forces act as guiding and balancing-harmonizing factors - somewhat as the endocrine system does in a human body, and behind this system the more occult web of chakra energies related to prana - the solar energy. It is when this energy becomes less dominant - thus symbolically at sunset - or when the body energy is weakened by illness, fasting or sensory deprivation, that it becomes easier to perceive these "nature spirits" and to give them forms that symbolize the character of their activities. These forms differ with the cultural imagery of each human collectivity, retaining nevertheless some basically similar characteristics.
When this Sabian symbol reaches into the consciousness of a man seeking meaning, it should be seen as an invitation to open his mind to the possibility of approaching life in a holistic and nonrational, intuitive manner.
This is the first stage of the fourth five-fold sequence of cyclic phases. It implies a call to REPOTENTIALIZATION. What this means also is the process of "becoming like a little child."
...AND I FURTHER WROTE...
ps...I would also check if you have any astrological Parts at the 16th degree of Aries and watch transits and progresions over this degree to give added boost from what ever energies they provide...but, if in the rare chance [1 in 360] that your Part of Catastrophe is the 16th degree of Aries ...then you have a real problem...let me know if that happens [God forbid] to be the case...
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...AND FINALLY...
and another ps...I completely overlooked that the Asc. is involved in this...thus there could be an additional perspective on this.
As I am the originator of this technique...but it is based entirely on the knowledge published by Dane Rudhyar and is explained and expounded all but for any ref. to natal charts and personal affairs...at least to my knowledge of Rudhyars writings, as He was most prolific...and i do mean PROLIFIC...
We should also take an avg. including the Asc....[and we need not need the Desc...it's about the Asc being ones 'Personal Point'...it's where the Planet, Earth, enters into the Natal Chart...one might even make a third matrix out of this cluster but i think two is enough...as we want to adress the external factors [sans the Asc.] and the external and internal combined [with the Asc. in the average]...thus we get 14* Aries 05', that's the 15th degree of Aries, and you need to deal with that symbol also...as these energies/principles/Cosmic or Divine Laws that the degrees and Sabian Symbols represent...morph one into the other...in both directions...it's no big deal just add to the technique of application a little more message...
[From Rudhyar's "An Astrological Mandala"]
" (ARIES 15°): AN INDIAN WEAVING A CEREMONIAL BLANKET.
KEYNOTE: [i]Projecting into everyday living the realization of wholeness and fulfillment.
In Christian tradition one hears of Jesus' "seamless robe." In Asia one is told of the "spiritual vesture" of the Perfect Ones. The man who has attained the spiritual state is figuratively robed in the universe — and more precisely, in the Milky Way, the Great White Robe of interwoven stars. This is the ultimate kind of weaving. There was also Penelope's weaving and unweaving, waiting for the return of her polarizing mate. The mind of the American woman in which these symbols took concrete form could think only of "Indian weavers." For the white man who is hungering for symbols of a state of living in total harmony with the universe, the traditional Indian can be glamorized as the answer to the inner emptiness of the city-dweller surfeited with artificial values. At any rate, we may thus prefigure a future state of fulfillment in conscious harmony and unpossessive love.
If this symbol comes to the consciousness of the inquirer after meaning, deliberately or through an aleatory act of revelation (like the act of throwing sticks to obtain an I Ching symbol), implied is the profound fact that every individual has as his ultimate conscious task the weaving of his "immortal body," his Gnostic Robe of Glory. It may sound very mystical and "far out," but there is a moment in every cycle when, in however small a degree, every individual may be confronted with the potentiality of a fulfilling act of self-realization and may, ever so relatively, find himself "clothed in light" for an instant.
This fifth stage of the third five-fold sequence of symbols ends the first of the twenty-four "scenes." We are told by it that the FULFILLMENT OF DESIRE is a possibility, at whatever level and in however incomplete a manner it may be experienced. "
...how poignant...!!!
"I'm completely stagnant, I don't know where I'm going & my life stays the same
I have no motivation and I suffer from apathy. My Natal Chart tells me otherwise...that I have a lot of energy given that I have my mars in the 1st house, and that I can accomplish a lot... Then why is my life so dull?
Read into my chart and help me understand. "
...and my reply:
[NOTE...OTHER MEMBERS BEFORE ME POINTED TO THE 'T' SQUARE...]
a solution to 'T' Squares can be found and it is through Sabian Symbology.
Find the average degree between the existing members of the 'T' Square...in your case you must also add in Neptune as it is in this matrix also...thus you have an average of 15* 09'...now find that degee and symbol in Aries. In astrological degree symbols enumeration there is no zero...just like there is no year 0 AD or 0 BC....thus this is the 16th degree of Aries.
A 'T' Square is searching for a realese of this tenion that is built up among the Planets/Luminaries...whatever...that are involved in the matrix...the release is the missing polarity...you must take the symbol found at Aries 16* and...either...implement it, or integrate it into your mentality/outlook/reasoning ...exemplify it ...etc...
As this degree happens to be the natal degree of my Venus I am most pleased to present to you this symbol...[and see my pics of 'nature spirts in the twilight' here at the forum in the 'Show Off" sub forum...]:cool::biggrin:
" (ARIES 16°): NATURE SPIRITS ARE SEEN AT WORK IN THE LIGHT OF SUNSET.
KEYNOTE: Attunement to the potency of invisible forces, of nature.
In the light of personal fulfillment (symbol of sunset and wisdom) man may be able to establish a life-giving contact with natural forces. These are active any time growth processes take place, but man's individualized mind is usually too focused on working for consciously set goals to be able to realize concretely the presence of invisible (or "occult") forces in operation. These forces constitute a specific realm of any planetary life. They are inherent in all "biospheres," on whatever planet. They are non-individualized and un-free energies forming in the substratum of all life processes - thus of the process of integration at the level of the planet-as-a-whole, i.e. the planet as an organism with its automatic systems of growth, maintenance and organic multiplication. In this planetary organism those nature forces act as guiding and balancing-harmonizing factors - somewhat as the endocrine system does in a human body, and behind this system the more occult web of chakra energies related to prana - the solar energy. It is when this energy becomes less dominant - thus symbolically at sunset - or when the body energy is weakened by illness, fasting or sensory deprivation, that it becomes easier to perceive these "nature spirits" and to give them forms that symbolize the character of their activities. These forms differ with the cultural imagery of each human collectivity, retaining nevertheless some basically similar characteristics.
When this Sabian symbol reaches into the consciousness of a man seeking meaning, it should be seen as an invitation to open his mind to the possibility of approaching life in a holistic and nonrational, intuitive manner.
This is the first stage of the fourth five-fold sequence of cyclic phases. It implies a call to REPOTENTIALIZATION. What this means also is the process of "becoming like a little child."
...AND I FURTHER WROTE...
ps...I would also check if you have any astrological Parts at the 16th degree of Aries and watch transits and progresions over this degree to give added boost from what ever energies they provide...but, if in the rare chance [1 in 360] that your Part of Catastrophe is the 16th degree of Aries ...then you have a real problem...let me know if that happens [God forbid] to be the case...
__________________
...AND FINALLY...
and another ps...I completely overlooked that the Asc. is involved in this...thus there could be an additional perspective on this.
As I am the originator of this technique...but it is based entirely on the knowledge published by Dane Rudhyar and is explained and expounded all but for any ref. to natal charts and personal affairs...at least to my knowledge of Rudhyars writings, as He was most prolific...and i do mean PROLIFIC...
We should also take an avg. including the Asc....[and we need not need the Desc...it's about the Asc being ones 'Personal Point'...it's where the Planet, Earth, enters into the Natal Chart...one might even make a third matrix out of this cluster but i think two is enough...as we want to adress the external factors [sans the Asc.] and the external and internal combined [with the Asc. in the average]...thus we get 14* Aries 05', that's the 15th degree of Aries, and you need to deal with that symbol also...as these energies/principles/Cosmic or Divine Laws that the degrees and Sabian Symbols represent...morph one into the other...in both directions...it's no big deal just add to the technique of application a little more message...
[From Rudhyar's "An Astrological Mandala"]
" (ARIES 15°): AN INDIAN WEAVING A CEREMONIAL BLANKET.
KEYNOTE: [i]Projecting into everyday living the realization of wholeness and fulfillment.
In Christian tradition one hears of Jesus' "seamless robe." In Asia one is told of the "spiritual vesture" of the Perfect Ones. The man who has attained the spiritual state is figuratively robed in the universe — and more precisely, in the Milky Way, the Great White Robe of interwoven stars. This is the ultimate kind of weaving. There was also Penelope's weaving and unweaving, waiting for the return of her polarizing mate. The mind of the American woman in which these symbols took concrete form could think only of "Indian weavers." For the white man who is hungering for symbols of a state of living in total harmony with the universe, the traditional Indian can be glamorized as the answer to the inner emptiness of the city-dweller surfeited with artificial values. At any rate, we may thus prefigure a future state of fulfillment in conscious harmony and unpossessive love.
If this symbol comes to the consciousness of the inquirer after meaning, deliberately or through an aleatory act of revelation (like the act of throwing sticks to obtain an I Ching symbol), implied is the profound fact that every individual has as his ultimate conscious task the weaving of his "immortal body," his Gnostic Robe of Glory. It may sound very mystical and "far out," but there is a moment in every cycle when, in however small a degree, every individual may be confronted with the potentiality of a fulfilling act of self-realization and may, ever so relatively, find himself "clothed in light" for an instant.
This fifth stage of the third five-fold sequence of symbols ends the first of the twenty-four "scenes." We are told by it that the FULFILLMENT OF DESIRE is a possibility, at whatever level and in however incomplete a manner it may be experienced. "
...how poignant...!!!
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Re: Proposed technique for resolving 'T' Squares
by David_Mastrogiovanni on Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:11 pm
[I just collected another example of this in action...I'm including the reply from the member at astrologyweekly.com that posted and asked for help understanding - resolving her rather debilitating 'T' Square.]
Note. I didn't read the replies from other members at this thread nor any further by the appealing member...so as to not influence my own objectivity.]
First let's take a look at the request:
"I have a very powerful mutable t-square in my natal chart and would love some insight into possible interpretations of it (situations, how it could be affecting my life, potential problems). And more importantly on how to handle it!
I've taken a hard hit since around late 2008-early 2009, really hard! Now I am just trying to get my life back in order, but for one reason or another things just keep falling apart =(
Hoping that maybe really disecting my t-square will help me find some direction or solutions. Help please!!!"
All oppositions are about 'Integration' of principles...and a 'T'* square is just a Grand Cross that is incomplete in form...but not function...
You see, every Planet in your natal is attempting to also become the symbolism of the opposite degree...or to integrate it to become complete...[which is probably the more appropo. explanation.]
Thus...remember that in a 'Grand Cross' situation what is occurring is the same as what occurs in ones chart axis via Rudhyars analysis..."Who"...'Where-To"..."How" & "Why"...Think of each Planet in a square as being the Asc....the "Who" and delineate from there using the formula provided by Dane. A "Grand Cross" offers a solution as it is about oppositions and integrating them ...conflict and a resolutive action.
...and here is something that is helpful to always remember and remind yourself. From June Wakefields book, "Cosmic Astrology" [she couldn't remember the source of this quote but said it "illustrates the value of the Square".]
"The Square is the aspect of strength and duty,
The Trine is the aspect of peace and beauty,
If to the moral of the first you be true
The second will be a servant to you"
Now lets look at all the symbols involved in this 'T' Square.
You've a Sun/Mars conjunction at one point in this matrix...one point of the 'beam' of opposing aspects.Sun 12* 20' 52" Gemini and Mars 12* 20' 58"
[I'll bypass the analysis of a Sun/Mars conjunction in Gemini as I'm sure you've already done so yourself by now and most certain the other members don't need to hear a review of what they already know.
Let's do note that it is a very strong one being as near a perfect conj. as I've ever seen in a natal chart.
And this is opposite a Jupiter/Uranus conj. in Sag. Lets do note [as I am an advocate of 'The Astrologers Handbook by Sakoian and Acker] that this conj. bestows interests...[ibid.] "...in new, progressive, and occult forms of religion such as New Thought, 'power of positive thinking', yoga or astrology. [these people] do not follow ordinary business procedures, educational endeavors or religious beliefs, but think and act for themselves with originality and ingenuity.
...generous toward their friends. They encourage other people who are also interested in doing worthwhile, unusual things. In politics they tend to be reformers and advocates of new political philosophies. They are generally in opposition to the established way of doing things"
The intense and powerful combination of the Sun/Mars conj...all that 'pumped up' will power, drive, determination and ego in opposition to the Jup/Uranus conj. manifesting as over zealousness for reform , proselytizing, doing things differently just for the shock value, amplified with more self will, hypersensitivity , individualness ...which added to the aforementioned 'originality and tendencies toward opposition to established ways...not to mention the extremely intense Masculine vibe this creates would leave most people that encounter you at any time 'you are not at your best' [mood, sociability, diplomacy...etc] a 'tad frightened...I would surmise.
As to the Sun/Jupiter opp. remember to cultivate a practical down to earth, impersonal attitude...especially when dealing with others, Curb impulses and urges towards grandiose schemes and ostentatious manners.
As to Sun/Uranus opp. ...It's know to create people that are high -strung, nervous, tense and irritable. It might delude one into believer they are more intelligent and talented than they really are...or if those do exist regardless, these people often don't use those gifts wisely. The opposition is known to cause erratic behavior and impatience and that thwarts all that drive and ambition and those abilities of superhuman like ability at sustained effort you have...which in turn diminishes any experience/education/understanding/wisdom of which you need to make practical use of those radical ideas and ways of doing things you have. Learn to control this...better yet...to overcome it.
Watch that over zealousness at promoting religious and philosophical views and opinions and quick temper and hair trigger tendency to argue and or fight that is the result of the Mars/Jupiter and the Mars/Uranus oppositions.
Now all the aforementioned is in a 'T' ...are in squares with your natal Moon... [Ugggggh....Oy Vey! ...If I may borrow a Hebrew expression...as it certainly fits this situation...]...I'll forgo doing the planet by planet and Sun square Moon and state it simply...]...it's in GREAT conflict with your emotional self...in a womans' case the majority of her beingness...
The 'T' in 'T' Square stands for 'Tension' ...in a sense, to put it succinctly and in mnemonic form..and that tension is released through the missing point, that is the empty point in the zodiac that if filled would make the 'T' Square a 'Grand Cross'. The mastery of which becomes a valuable and beneficial ability at solving conflicts.
From what I've obtained from Rudhyars writings and my own observations, investigations, deductions and have thus concluded is that an average must be found from all the players in the 'T' Square as to what the degree is of that missing point...in your case in Virgo.
Taking an average from your natal Sun, Moon, Mars, Jupiter and Uranus [...and, wow...do you have a lot of 'players' involved and especially as to the both the Sun and Moon...as this is affecting so much of your being and consciousness...it is really impacting your life...in my opinion.]
... that comes to apprx 08* 51'.
Now, in Degree enumeration designation that is called the 9th degree. [read the sticky in this sub forum if you need more understanding on that...basically , it is that there are 30 degrees in a sign and the option was; 'Do we number them zero through twenty nine or from one through thirty?'...that's all.]
The 9th degree of Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces is the implied paradigm of perfection of the 'T' Square and thus also a 'Grand Cross' derived from it.
The conflict...that 'Tension'...of the 'T' Square is ideally expressed through the 9th degree Sabain Symbols for Gemini, Sagitiarius and Pisces and the resolution of this dilemma through the 9th degree of Virgo.
But, before we get to that lets take a look at the actual symbols that the Sun, Moon, Mars, Jupiter and Uranus are in [luckily...that God for small favors the Moon is in the 9th of Pisces and will make this analysis and explanation a little easier to convey and hopefully understand as well.]
The Sun and Mars both in the 13th degree of Gemini are represented symbolically as to their respective qualities and their conj. effect through [from Dane Rudhyar's book "The Sabian Symbols..."]:
" A FAMOUS PIANIST GIVING A CONCERT PERFORMANCE.
KEYNOTE: Individual fulfillment in the performing of a social function to which some prestige is attached.
...the individual person is able to become himself a source of inspiration...mobilize emotions... present to others an image... of becoming "more-than-man"...to experience more intensely and to see farther... role of the true and ideal "virtuoso" (vir meaning strength, manliness; thus "virtue")... leading [others] into new realms of experience...one might become, [at least, a]... potential SOURCE OF INSPIRATION."
[I should point out here the term used above and the context...Manliness...as to what I said about maybe coming on as too 'manly' for a woman...please don't take this to be a disregard of 'political correctness' on my part as to a belief in a manifest division of Man/Woman roles...I'm just labeling parts of a puzzle, here, in basic terms. Try to maintain an objective viewpoint.]
Now that, of which I've just given for the powerful energies of Ego, Will and Action, and as to what the Sun/Mars conjunction creates and is expressing, both their innate natures and their unity [their composite identity], in such a 'grandiose', dramatic and style full way [symbolically illustrated by the Sabian Symbol for the 13th degree of Gemini.] must now be regarded as the 9th degree of Gemini,as per in regard as to the paradigm of the 'T' Square, so as we can arrive to the eventual resolution of conflict...the 'Tension'...and by Rudhyar's book...once again.
(GEMINI 9°): "A QUIVER FILLED WITH ARROWS.
KEYNOTE: Man's aggressive relationship to natural life, as a basis for survival and conquest. The mind...is essentially a trans-piercing power; it goes through the object toward which it is aimed. It seeks to go through and beyond the obstacles on its path, and this usually implies the destruction of the obstacle. At a higher level — as in the Zen practice of archery — the obstacle is the ego....[this is an] archetypal symbol of Man, the Conqueror.... [be it a] conquest of outer nature, or that of instinctual drives and of the limiting power of the ego. It is always CONQUEST."
[these two symbols for both the 13th and the 9th of Gemini, and associated with a Sun/Mars conjunction, bring to my mind the old expression 'irresistible force and immovable object"...wow, you just might scare the living daylights out of people at times when you are on a mission, agenda, task, et al. ...IMHO...]
Now Jupiter and Uranus.
Jupiter,the Planet of Brotherhood, Friendship, Benevolence, Philosophy and Expansion... and in Sagittarius indicating a great love for Religious ideals and philosophies conjunct, coupled with Uranus, the Planet that is the higher octave of Mercury, which is known also as "The Great Awakener" in a positive view...or the 'Bestower of Sudden [and usually, often, 'Rude'] Change' from a negative viewpoint...the planet that confers higher 'Intuition'...new concepts, ideas, and in Sagittarius too. This means especially in regards to religion and philosophy.
Jupiter in the 6th degree of Sag. [ibid.]: "A GAME OF CRICKET.
KEYNOTE: The development of skill in group-situations testing collective goals. ...[and Rudhyar's keyword{s}] GROUP SOLIDARITY."
...that does sound very Jovian too...
.....................coupled with.......................
Uranus in the 7th degree of Sag. [ibid.] "CUPID KNOCKS AT THE DOOR OF A HUMAN HEART.
KEYNOTE: A stirring-up of individual longings for romantic love.
... ideal love tends to exalt individual characteristics... glorifies what seems able to fill poignant...[and/or] unconscious needs. Such a love... is...subjective which tends to bring to the lover a crisis or emotional chaos....a love [that] often turns asocial if not antisocial and is blocked or frowned upon by society....This...symbol is in direct opposition to that of the 'cricket game.'...[it] knows no rules and ignores collective purpose or dictates of reason... implied is a challenge to [Rudhyar's keyword{S}] EMOTIONAL REBIRTH."
Please note, that in an 'spiritual evolutionary' take on the zodiac the degrees are read as an unfolding of concepts of Cosmic [or God] Design that lead to ones advance, [eventual liberation from Karma and this world of illusion] when read in what is considered reverse order...thus after ones "Emotional Rebirth", one is expected to proceed to finding kindred souls and join in "Group Solidarity"
This combo of Jupiter/Uranus, their own innate natures and the composite effect of the conjunction of the two of them must now be thought of as the symbolism found in the Sabian symbol for the 9th degree of Sag. [ibid.]
"A MOTHER LEADS HER SMALL CHILD STEP BY STEP UP A STEEP STAIRWAY.
KEYNOTE: The need in any social situation to assist the less evolved in their management of the problems which society requires its members to solve.
A staircase...not...natural...to a very young child. Man...therefore is responsible for assisting the child to climb them step by step....implied is [Rudhyar's keyword{S}] SOCIAL CONCERN for the less evolved of society's members."
..seems like a beautiful and a most perfect way to utilize Jovian/Uranian composite energies longing to express itself though love and in league with others...and as Sakoian and Acker noted in their handbook: "Uranus also emphasizes humanitarian tendencies, very often expressed as cooperation in group endeavors."..that just is so in tenor...so in harmony with that!
So now we have two Divine or Cosmic Precepts...those of "CONQUEST" and of "SOCIAL CONCERN"...ego, willpower, action, aggressiveness & brotherhood, philosophy, religion, higher intuition, higher understanding, want of change ...trying to integrate with one another [as oppositions do truly represent from a positive viewpoint...i.e. 'Integration'...and a challenge to achieve it ...as opposed to the negative outlook, "Conflict", and without resolution as to which can overcome the other]...but having to contend with a 'Square to the Moon...the emotional nature of your being...and as I said the Moon is in the 9th degree ...it is both what it is and what it must be regarded as to the paradigm of the 'T' Square matrix or construct, [as you may want to call it]
symbolically represented by [ibid.]:
" (PISCES 9°): A JOCKEY SPURS HIS HORSE, INTENT ON OUT-DISTANCING HIS RIVALS.
KEYNOTE: Intense mobilization of energy and skill in the drive for success in any social performance affected by the competitive spirit. ...[and use of technical mastery from much training and practice]...[indicating a]... need [so perceived, anyways...an 'urge'] to spur one's total being toward speedy attainment of whatever goal it may be...[the] technical significance is quite evident. Every superfluous "weight," every unnecessary consideration is to be dismissed in the one-pointed attempt to reach one's social goal. SELF-QUICKENING may be the Keyword."
...if I may say so again...OY VEY...!...man..., willpower, action, determination and drive...trying to integrate with ;Higher' intuited, perceived beliefs/philosophies...portrayed as "CONQUEST" attempting to integrate with "SOCIAL CONCERN" for those challenged by those beliefs and concepts of yours through some sort of group solidarity....at odds with an emotional drive for some singular success...recognition...in the basest sense...hopefully you are not that self centered...then it should be seen as a impatient, unrelenting emotional type of angst for achieving goals [or a specific goal ...one that is of [admirably] 'social concern' for the less evolved of society.
Now to the release...the resolution of the 'Tension'...of the conflict of the 'T' Square... now viewed as a 'Grand Cross'...the resolution of conflict[s] through integrative action[s] ...it is found at the 9th degree of Virgo and trough the symbolism of the Sabian Symbol found there it may be so achieved....which is[ibid.]:
"AN EXPRESSIONIST PAINTER AT WORK.
KEYNOTE: The urge to express one's individualized sense of value regardless of tradition.
At this stage the individual is seen reacting against cultural standards and stereotyped ways of interpreting his perceptions. This is a statement of uncompromising self-reliance, which may even imply a kind of defiance and a challenge to society. The mind is seeking to discover the character of the basic and true foundation of individual selfhood, the AUM tone (or logos) of individual being. In the process, however, what is expressed is usually the reflection of a deep catharsis with emotionally charged and often tragic overtones.
This fourth stage symbol brings to us the hint of a technique of transformation of the personality. What predominates is a sense of inner conflict and an over-selfconscious attempt at "being oneself." But there is a great difference between being an origin of development pregnant with futurity, and deliberately sought for ORIGINALITY."
...remember that once a month the transiting Moon does occupy this degree and those are times you have probably been aware of this 'angst' and all...and as it is so transitory, possibly you've not recognized it in a positive manner...that is, no realization, no understanding of what it's effect on you is has been...nor an epiphany as to the resolution through integration and the wonderful utilization, that once integrated, it could subsequently be put to...but rather...especially in this days hectic and tumultuous world, so demanding of all our time and attention as it so seems...it's been a bothersome and debilitating mental quandary...eroding at your being...your mental, emotional and physical health too.
But there are also those times when a less ephemeral body does occupy it and those are the times you have to look at the inherent qualities of said influence and utilize the opportunity to bring the overall integration to fruition...and maybe a lil' meditation to help rein in that impatience, sense of urgentness....that, if you do recognize and agree, is a part of your being, has been so much of a stumbling block in the past..to the success you wish to achieve...and possibly has thwarted even anything beyond the conceptualization of as much at times in the past.
Note. I didn't read the replies from other members at this thread nor any further by the appealing member...so as to not influence my own objectivity.]
First let's take a look at the request:
"I have a very powerful mutable t-square in my natal chart and would love some insight into possible interpretations of it (situations, how it could be affecting my life, potential problems). And more importantly on how to handle it!
I've taken a hard hit since around late 2008-early 2009, really hard! Now I am just trying to get my life back in order, but for one reason or another things just keep falling apart =(
Hoping that maybe really disecting my t-square will help me find some direction or solutions. Help please!!!"
All oppositions are about 'Integration' of principles...and a 'T'* square is just a Grand Cross that is incomplete in form...but not function...
You see, every Planet in your natal is attempting to also become the symbolism of the opposite degree...or to integrate it to become complete...[which is probably the more appropo. explanation.]
Thus...remember that in a 'Grand Cross' situation what is occurring is the same as what occurs in ones chart axis via Rudhyars analysis..."Who"...'Where-To"..."How" & "Why"...Think of each Planet in a square as being the Asc....the "Who" and delineate from there using the formula provided by Dane. A "Grand Cross" offers a solution as it is about oppositions and integrating them ...conflict and a resolutive action.
...and here is something that is helpful to always remember and remind yourself. From June Wakefields book, "Cosmic Astrology" [she couldn't remember the source of this quote but said it "illustrates the value of the Square".]
"The Square is the aspect of strength and duty,
The Trine is the aspect of peace and beauty,
If to the moral of the first you be true
The second will be a servant to you"
Now lets look at all the symbols involved in this 'T' Square.
You've a Sun/Mars conjunction at one point in this matrix...one point of the 'beam' of opposing aspects.Sun 12* 20' 52" Gemini and Mars 12* 20' 58"
[I'll bypass the analysis of a Sun/Mars conjunction in Gemini as I'm sure you've already done so yourself by now and most certain the other members don't need to hear a review of what they already know.
Let's do note that it is a very strong one being as near a perfect conj. as I've ever seen in a natal chart.
And this is opposite a Jupiter/Uranus conj. in Sag. Lets do note [as I am an advocate of 'The Astrologers Handbook by Sakoian and Acker] that this conj. bestows interests...[ibid.] "...in new, progressive, and occult forms of religion such as New Thought, 'power of positive thinking', yoga or astrology. [these people] do not follow ordinary business procedures, educational endeavors or religious beliefs, but think and act for themselves with originality and ingenuity.
...generous toward their friends. They encourage other people who are also interested in doing worthwhile, unusual things. In politics they tend to be reformers and advocates of new political philosophies. They are generally in opposition to the established way of doing things"
The intense and powerful combination of the Sun/Mars conj...all that 'pumped up' will power, drive, determination and ego in opposition to the Jup/Uranus conj. manifesting as over zealousness for reform , proselytizing, doing things differently just for the shock value, amplified with more self will, hypersensitivity , individualness ...which added to the aforementioned 'originality and tendencies toward opposition to established ways...not to mention the extremely intense Masculine vibe this creates would leave most people that encounter you at any time 'you are not at your best' [mood, sociability, diplomacy...etc] a 'tad frightened...I would surmise.
As to the Sun/Jupiter opp. remember to cultivate a practical down to earth, impersonal attitude...especially when dealing with others, Curb impulses and urges towards grandiose schemes and ostentatious manners.
As to Sun/Uranus opp. ...It's know to create people that are high -strung, nervous, tense and irritable. It might delude one into believer they are more intelligent and talented than they really are...or if those do exist regardless, these people often don't use those gifts wisely. The opposition is known to cause erratic behavior and impatience and that thwarts all that drive and ambition and those abilities of superhuman like ability at sustained effort you have...which in turn diminishes any experience/education/understanding/wisdom of which you need to make practical use of those radical ideas and ways of doing things you have. Learn to control this...better yet...to overcome it.
Watch that over zealousness at promoting religious and philosophical views and opinions and quick temper and hair trigger tendency to argue and or fight that is the result of the Mars/Jupiter and the Mars/Uranus oppositions.
Now all the aforementioned is in a 'T' ...are in squares with your natal Moon... [Ugggggh....Oy Vey! ...If I may borrow a Hebrew expression...as it certainly fits this situation...]...I'll forgo doing the planet by planet and Sun square Moon and state it simply...]...it's in GREAT conflict with your emotional self...in a womans' case the majority of her beingness...
The 'T' in 'T' Square stands for 'Tension' ...in a sense, to put it succinctly and in mnemonic form..and that tension is released through the missing point, that is the empty point in the zodiac that if filled would make the 'T' Square a 'Grand Cross'. The mastery of which becomes a valuable and beneficial ability at solving conflicts.
From what I've obtained from Rudhyars writings and my own observations, investigations, deductions and have thus concluded is that an average must be found from all the players in the 'T' Square as to what the degree is of that missing point...in your case in Virgo.
Taking an average from your natal Sun, Moon, Mars, Jupiter and Uranus [...and, wow...do you have a lot of 'players' involved and especially as to the both the Sun and Moon...as this is affecting so much of your being and consciousness...it is really impacting your life...in my opinion.]
... that comes to apprx 08* 51'.
Now, in Degree enumeration designation that is called the 9th degree. [read the sticky in this sub forum if you need more understanding on that...basically , it is that there are 30 degrees in a sign and the option was; 'Do we number them zero through twenty nine or from one through thirty?'...that's all.]
The 9th degree of Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces is the implied paradigm of perfection of the 'T' Square and thus also a 'Grand Cross' derived from it.
The conflict...that 'Tension'...of the 'T' Square is ideally expressed through the 9th degree Sabain Symbols for Gemini, Sagitiarius and Pisces and the resolution of this dilemma through the 9th degree of Virgo.
But, before we get to that lets take a look at the actual symbols that the Sun, Moon, Mars, Jupiter and Uranus are in [luckily...that God for small favors the Moon is in the 9th of Pisces and will make this analysis and explanation a little easier to convey and hopefully understand as well.]
The Sun and Mars both in the 13th degree of Gemini are represented symbolically as to their respective qualities and their conj. effect through [from Dane Rudhyar's book "The Sabian Symbols..."]:
" A FAMOUS PIANIST GIVING A CONCERT PERFORMANCE.
KEYNOTE: Individual fulfillment in the performing of a social function to which some prestige is attached.
...the individual person is able to become himself a source of inspiration...mobilize emotions... present to others an image... of becoming "more-than-man"...to experience more intensely and to see farther... role of the true and ideal "virtuoso" (vir meaning strength, manliness; thus "virtue")... leading [others] into new realms of experience...one might become, [at least, a]... potential SOURCE OF INSPIRATION."
[I should point out here the term used above and the context...Manliness...as to what I said about maybe coming on as too 'manly' for a woman...please don't take this to be a disregard of 'political correctness' on my part as to a belief in a manifest division of Man/Woman roles...I'm just labeling parts of a puzzle, here, in basic terms. Try to maintain an objective viewpoint.]
Now that, of which I've just given for the powerful energies of Ego, Will and Action, and as to what the Sun/Mars conjunction creates and is expressing, both their innate natures and their unity [their composite identity], in such a 'grandiose', dramatic and style full way [symbolically illustrated by the Sabian Symbol for the 13th degree of Gemini.] must now be regarded as the 9th degree of Gemini,as per in regard as to the paradigm of the 'T' Square, so as we can arrive to the eventual resolution of conflict...the 'Tension'...and by Rudhyar's book...once again.
(GEMINI 9°): "A QUIVER FILLED WITH ARROWS.
KEYNOTE: Man's aggressive relationship to natural life, as a basis for survival and conquest. The mind...is essentially a trans-piercing power; it goes through the object toward which it is aimed. It seeks to go through and beyond the obstacles on its path, and this usually implies the destruction of the obstacle. At a higher level — as in the Zen practice of archery — the obstacle is the ego....[this is an] archetypal symbol of Man, the Conqueror.... [be it a] conquest of outer nature, or that of instinctual drives and of the limiting power of the ego. It is always CONQUEST."
[these two symbols for both the 13th and the 9th of Gemini, and associated with a Sun/Mars conjunction, bring to my mind the old expression 'irresistible force and immovable object"...wow, you just might scare the living daylights out of people at times when you are on a mission, agenda, task, et al. ...IMHO...]
Now Jupiter and Uranus.
Jupiter,the Planet of Brotherhood, Friendship, Benevolence, Philosophy and Expansion... and in Sagittarius indicating a great love for Religious ideals and philosophies conjunct, coupled with Uranus, the Planet that is the higher octave of Mercury, which is known also as "The Great Awakener" in a positive view...or the 'Bestower of Sudden [and usually, often, 'Rude'] Change' from a negative viewpoint...the planet that confers higher 'Intuition'...new concepts, ideas, and in Sagittarius too. This means especially in regards to religion and philosophy.
Jupiter in the 6th degree of Sag. [ibid.]: "A GAME OF CRICKET.
KEYNOTE: The development of skill in group-situations testing collective goals. ...[and Rudhyar's keyword{s}] GROUP SOLIDARITY."
...that does sound very Jovian too...
.....................coupled with.......................
Uranus in the 7th degree of Sag. [ibid.] "CUPID KNOCKS AT THE DOOR OF A HUMAN HEART.
KEYNOTE: A stirring-up of individual longings for romantic love.
... ideal love tends to exalt individual characteristics... glorifies what seems able to fill poignant...[and/or] unconscious needs. Such a love... is...subjective which tends to bring to the lover a crisis or emotional chaos....a love [that] often turns asocial if not antisocial and is blocked or frowned upon by society....This...symbol is in direct opposition to that of the 'cricket game.'...[it] knows no rules and ignores collective purpose or dictates of reason... implied is a challenge to [Rudhyar's keyword{S}] EMOTIONAL REBIRTH."
Please note, that in an 'spiritual evolutionary' take on the zodiac the degrees are read as an unfolding of concepts of Cosmic [or God] Design that lead to ones advance, [eventual liberation from Karma and this world of illusion] when read in what is considered reverse order...thus after ones "Emotional Rebirth", one is expected to proceed to finding kindred souls and join in "Group Solidarity"
This combo of Jupiter/Uranus, their own innate natures and the composite effect of the conjunction of the two of them must now be thought of as the symbolism found in the Sabian symbol for the 9th degree of Sag. [ibid.]
"A MOTHER LEADS HER SMALL CHILD STEP BY STEP UP A STEEP STAIRWAY.
KEYNOTE: The need in any social situation to assist the less evolved in their management of the problems which society requires its members to solve.
A staircase...not...natural...to a very young child. Man...therefore is responsible for assisting the child to climb them step by step....implied is [Rudhyar's keyword{S}] SOCIAL CONCERN for the less evolved of society's members."
..seems like a beautiful and a most perfect way to utilize Jovian/Uranian composite energies longing to express itself though love and in league with others...and as Sakoian and Acker noted in their handbook: "Uranus also emphasizes humanitarian tendencies, very often expressed as cooperation in group endeavors."..that just is so in tenor...so in harmony with that!
So now we have two Divine or Cosmic Precepts...those of "CONQUEST" and of "SOCIAL CONCERN"...ego, willpower, action, aggressiveness & brotherhood, philosophy, religion, higher intuition, higher understanding, want of change ...trying to integrate with one another [as oppositions do truly represent from a positive viewpoint...i.e. 'Integration'...and a challenge to achieve it ...as opposed to the negative outlook, "Conflict", and without resolution as to which can overcome the other]...but having to contend with a 'Square to the Moon...the emotional nature of your being...and as I said the Moon is in the 9th degree ...it is both what it is and what it must be regarded as to the paradigm of the 'T' Square matrix or construct, [as you may want to call it]
symbolically represented by [ibid.]:
" (PISCES 9°): A JOCKEY SPURS HIS HORSE, INTENT ON OUT-DISTANCING HIS RIVALS.
KEYNOTE: Intense mobilization of energy and skill in the drive for success in any social performance affected by the competitive spirit. ...[and use of technical mastery from much training and practice]...[indicating a]... need [so perceived, anyways...an 'urge'] to spur one's total being toward speedy attainment of whatever goal it may be...[the] technical significance is quite evident. Every superfluous "weight," every unnecessary consideration is to be dismissed in the one-pointed attempt to reach one's social goal. SELF-QUICKENING may be the Keyword."
...if I may say so again...OY VEY...!...man..., willpower, action, determination and drive...trying to integrate with ;Higher' intuited, perceived beliefs/philosophies...portrayed as "CONQUEST" attempting to integrate with "SOCIAL CONCERN" for those challenged by those beliefs and concepts of yours through some sort of group solidarity....at odds with an emotional drive for some singular success...recognition...in the basest sense...hopefully you are not that self centered...then it should be seen as a impatient, unrelenting emotional type of angst for achieving goals [or a specific goal ...one that is of [admirably] 'social concern' for the less evolved of society.
Now to the release...the resolution of the 'Tension'...of the conflict of the 'T' Square... now viewed as a 'Grand Cross'...the resolution of conflict[s] through integrative action[s] ...it is found at the 9th degree of Virgo and trough the symbolism of the Sabian Symbol found there it may be so achieved....which is[ibid.]:
"AN EXPRESSIONIST PAINTER AT WORK.
KEYNOTE: The urge to express one's individualized sense of value regardless of tradition.
At this stage the individual is seen reacting against cultural standards and stereotyped ways of interpreting his perceptions. This is a statement of uncompromising self-reliance, which may even imply a kind of defiance and a challenge to society. The mind is seeking to discover the character of the basic and true foundation of individual selfhood, the AUM tone (or logos) of individual being. In the process, however, what is expressed is usually the reflection of a deep catharsis with emotionally charged and often tragic overtones.
This fourth stage symbol brings to us the hint of a technique of transformation of the personality. What predominates is a sense of inner conflict and an over-selfconscious attempt at "being oneself." But there is a great difference between being an origin of development pregnant with futurity, and deliberately sought for ORIGINALITY."
...remember that once a month the transiting Moon does occupy this degree and those are times you have probably been aware of this 'angst' and all...and as it is so transitory, possibly you've not recognized it in a positive manner...that is, no realization, no understanding of what it's effect on you is has been...nor an epiphany as to the resolution through integration and the wonderful utilization, that once integrated, it could subsequently be put to...but rather...especially in this days hectic and tumultuous world, so demanding of all our time and attention as it so seems...it's been a bothersome and debilitating mental quandary...eroding at your being...your mental, emotional and physical health too.
But there are also those times when a less ephemeral body does occupy it and those are the times you have to look at the inherent qualities of said influence and utilize the opportunity to bring the overall integration to fruition...and maybe a lil' meditation to help rein in that impatience, sense of urgentness....that, if you do recognize and agree, is a part of your being, has been so much of a stumbling block in the past..to the success you wish to achieve...and possibly has thwarted even anything beyond the conceptualization of as much at times in the past.
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Re: Proposed technique for resolving 'T' Squares
by David_Mastrogiovanni on Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:25 pm
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Re: Proposed technique for resolving 'T' Squares
by David_Mastrogiovanni on Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:33 pm
[Her reply]
[Quote:
Originally Posted by D.M.]
...if I may say so again...OY VEY...!...man..., willpower, action, determination and drive...trying to integrate with ;Higher' intuited, perceived beliefs/philosophies...portrayed as "CONQUEST" attempting to integrate with "SOCIAL CONCERN" for those challenged by those beliefs and concepts of yours through some sort of group solidarity....at odds with an emotional drive for some singular success...recognition...in the basest sense...hopefully you are not that self centered...then it should be seen as a impatient, unrelenting emotional type of angst for achieving goals [or a specific goal ...one that is of [admirably] 'social concern' for the less evolved of society. [Unquote}
What's interesting about all that you've written is that back in 2009 I had, finally, gotten my dream job. After years of being in Property Management (leasing apartments/managing apartment complexes) I was offered a job as Property Manager, after more than a dozen interviews & staying at jobs I hated where I was treated like **** & underpaid! I was finally the one in charge.
The property I managed was in a bad neighborhood, the residents were all living below the poverty line, there was a lot of crime & drama there. But, while most people would go running in the other direction & former co-workers recommended I do so, upon hearing about my new position...all I saw was all the ways I could help make this place better, nicer, safer, cleaner, more efficient...a happier place to live & a more profitable one for the company as well. The job became my whole life, I was so driven to make life better for all my residents (at least the ones that weren't murders or rapist, lol) and to show the owners that all the stresses and ridiculousness they'd been dealing with, was really just an ill effect of previous poor management, that I knew I could fix. Mind you, this was not going to be an easy task, everything about the place from the residents to the lease files had been handled ineffectually...it was in fact a disaster area. But I became so completely invested in it, it was like my baby, everything about it was a personal reflection of me so I worked tirelessly day in & day out for it's cause. And after only a few months it was really starting to look like a whole new place, the changes I'd put into effect were really begining to show & it was the most wonderful feeling. Residents whom had formally been very condescending, rude and even violent toward me, were now thanking me, hugging me & respectful of me. I'd saved many of them from being evicted from their homes, or gotten out menacing residents who were only causing problems, or fixed some maitenance issue that had gone ingnored for years. For the first time in my life I felt like I was doing exactly what I was suppose to be & that I was really helping people while helping myself in the process. I was actually happy!
But before long everything came crashing down...my boss, whom had been my main collegue & who I'd been very close to had a falling out with the owners & was forced to resign. While they ensured me that I was doing a great job & that my position with the company was not in jepordy, that seemed to change some how after they hired a new boss for me. I did everything in my power to be cooperative & diplomatic with her, she never said anything negitive about my preformace & had actually only worked with me a time or two, but it didn't matter. She was set on restaffing the entire property with all her friends & didn't care who's life she had to ***** up to make that happen. Needless to say I was let go...for no reason at all. When I asked for one all I got was "you don't belong here, wouldn't you rather work at a nice, high end property?". I tried to fight for my position, but there was nothing I could do. I was completely devastated & heartbroken. I'd given everything I had to this company,this palce, these residents and I did everything right...but still it was all taken away from me. That was the begining of me spiraling down into a very dark place. I just didn't have the will to try for anything anymore, what was the point if no matter what I did, I had no control anyway? I should note, that this came after years of being in job situations where I was unfairly treated, but put up with it anyways. I'd come a very long way and already endured so much to get to where I wanted to be. I've always been a pretty resilent, strong person... but...this was just a different kind of hurt, it was more than I could take. I'd always been someone who thought there wasn't anything I couldn't do/have if I worked hard enough for it, but life sure did prove me wrong. Making things worse after that, were the fact that my home life was a tragedy, failing relationship (engagement, 6yrs), which now I couldn't leave because I had no income. Then all 3 of my very closest friends moved to different states within months of eachother, an old flame came back into my life only to leave me heartbroken, there was a death in my family (which I felt a lot of guilt for), my brother kept trying to kill himself, I had a huge falling out with pretty much my entire family, couldn't find work & due to all the stress, developed an overactive immune system which made me have allergic reactions to everything where I break out in awful boils & hives all the time! I feel like Job, from the hebrew bible!!! Lol.
So coming out of that...really where does one go? Every aspect of my life/mind/values has been restructured, everything I was so sure of before, I'm not anymore. I'm fearful & insecure & unsure of myself...and it's all very new to me, I'm not used to being this person & I don't like it at all, I feel weak & pathetic.
The only reason I mention all of this, is because, I think at that job I was fulfilling that Virgo element...organizing, managing, sevice to others etc. and I've never been better than when was there. So I think I get the concept & can find validity in all you've written...right now for me though its' not so much about not knowing what I need to be doing, it's about knowing where to go to do it/find it. I feel as though I've picked apart every sector of my life searching for the answer of what the *@!! I'm suppose to be doing and all I keep finding are roadblocks. Tried working on my career-fail, tried focusing on my love life-triple fail, tried just focusing on myself, but all that gets me is to a place of self-hate for failing at everything else & not understanding why. I go over the situations a thousand times in my head trying to figure out what I did wrong, what I should've done but didn't, where my critical errors were...but I always come to the same conclusion, nothing, if I had to do it all over, I'd do everything the same. I did all the right things, but still ended up in a very wrong place???
Combine my natural restlessness with my new inability to whole heartedly believe in anything anymore, and here I am.
{Quote:
Originally Posted by D.M.]
Now to the release...the resolution of the 'Tension'...of the conflict of the 'T' Square... now viewed as a 'Grand Cross'...the resolution of conflict[s] through integrative action[s] ...it is found at the 9th degree of Virgo and trough the symbolism of the Sabian Symbol found there it may be so achieved....which is[ibid.]:
"AN EXPRESSIONIST PAINTER AT WORK.
KEYNOTE: The urge to express one's individualized sense of value regardless of tradition.
At this stage the individual is seen reacting against cultural standards and stereotyped ways of interpreting his perceptions. This is a statement of uncompromising self-reliance, which may even imply a kind of defiance and a challenge to society. The mind is seeking to discover the character of the basic and true foundation of individual selfhood, the AUM tone (or logos) of individual being. In the process, however, what is expressed is usually the reflection of a deep catharsis with emotionally charged and often tragic overtones.
This fourth stage symbol brings to us the hint of a technique of transformation of the personality. What predominates is a sense of inner conflict and an over-selfconscious attempt at "being oneself." [Unquote]
I'm guessing this is my X on the map of my life right now!?
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Originally Posted by D.M.]
...remember that once a month the transiting Moon does occupy this degree and those are times you have probably been aware of this 'angst' and all...and as it is so transitory, possibly you've not recognized it in a positive manner...that is, no realization, no understanding of what it's effect on you is has been...nor an epiphany as to the resolution through integration and the wonderful utilization, that once integrated, it could subsequently be put to...but rather...especially in this days hectic and tumultuous world, so demanding of all our time and attention as it so seems...it's been a bothersome and debilitating mental quandary...eroding at your being...your mental, emotional and physical health too.
But there are also those times when a less ephemeral body does occupy it and those are the times you have to look at the inherent qualities of said influence and utilize the opportunity to bring the overall integration to fruition...and maybe a lil' meditation to help rein in that impatience, sense of urgentness....that, if you do recognize and agree, is a part of your being, has been so much of a stumbling block in the past..to the success you wish to achieve...and possibly has thwarted even anything beyond the conceptualization of as much at times in the past. [Unquote]
I appreciate all you've written & you taking the time to do so. I know my response is a little lengthy & more personal than I'd normally write, but it's the best way I could express my understanding of the information you given. I still don't really feel as though a clear direction is visible to me, but I am back in school now for an entirely different career, the idea of which came to me during one of my many miserable, allergy outbreaks. I'd like to hope that all the tragic events of late have happened for some sort of positive purpose...otherwise the universe is just conspiring against me & I'm crused! Lol.
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Originally Posted by D.M.]
...if I may say so again...OY VEY...!...man..., willpower, action, determination and drive...trying to integrate with ;Higher' intuited, perceived beliefs/philosophies...portrayed as "CONQUEST" attempting to integrate with "SOCIAL CONCERN" for those challenged by those beliefs and concepts of yours through some sort of group solidarity....at odds with an emotional drive for some singular success...recognition...in the basest sense...hopefully you are not that self centered...then it should be seen as a impatient, unrelenting emotional type of angst for achieving goals [or a specific goal ...one that is of [admirably] 'social concern' for the less evolved of society. [Unquote}
What's interesting about all that you've written is that back in 2009 I had, finally, gotten my dream job. After years of being in Property Management (leasing apartments/managing apartment complexes) I was offered a job as Property Manager, after more than a dozen interviews & staying at jobs I hated where I was treated like **** & underpaid! I was finally the one in charge.
The property I managed was in a bad neighborhood, the residents were all living below the poverty line, there was a lot of crime & drama there. But, while most people would go running in the other direction & former co-workers recommended I do so, upon hearing about my new position...all I saw was all the ways I could help make this place better, nicer, safer, cleaner, more efficient...a happier place to live & a more profitable one for the company as well. The job became my whole life, I was so driven to make life better for all my residents (at least the ones that weren't murders or rapist, lol) and to show the owners that all the stresses and ridiculousness they'd been dealing with, was really just an ill effect of previous poor management, that I knew I could fix. Mind you, this was not going to be an easy task, everything about the place from the residents to the lease files had been handled ineffectually...it was in fact a disaster area. But I became so completely invested in it, it was like my baby, everything about it was a personal reflection of me so I worked tirelessly day in & day out for it's cause. And after only a few months it was really starting to look like a whole new place, the changes I'd put into effect were really begining to show & it was the most wonderful feeling. Residents whom had formally been very condescending, rude and even violent toward me, were now thanking me, hugging me & respectful of me. I'd saved many of them from being evicted from their homes, or gotten out menacing residents who were only causing problems, or fixed some maitenance issue that had gone ingnored for years. For the first time in my life I felt like I was doing exactly what I was suppose to be & that I was really helping people while helping myself in the process. I was actually happy!
But before long everything came crashing down...my boss, whom had been my main collegue & who I'd been very close to had a falling out with the owners & was forced to resign. While they ensured me that I was doing a great job & that my position with the company was not in jepordy, that seemed to change some how after they hired a new boss for me. I did everything in my power to be cooperative & diplomatic with her, she never said anything negitive about my preformace & had actually only worked with me a time or two, but it didn't matter. She was set on restaffing the entire property with all her friends & didn't care who's life she had to ***** up to make that happen. Needless to say I was let go...for no reason at all. When I asked for one all I got was "you don't belong here, wouldn't you rather work at a nice, high end property?". I tried to fight for my position, but there was nothing I could do. I was completely devastated & heartbroken. I'd given everything I had to this company,this palce, these residents and I did everything right...but still it was all taken away from me. That was the begining of me spiraling down into a very dark place. I just didn't have the will to try for anything anymore, what was the point if no matter what I did, I had no control anyway? I should note, that this came after years of being in job situations where I was unfairly treated, but put up with it anyways. I'd come a very long way and already endured so much to get to where I wanted to be. I've always been a pretty resilent, strong person... but...this was just a different kind of hurt, it was more than I could take. I'd always been someone who thought there wasn't anything I couldn't do/have if I worked hard enough for it, but life sure did prove me wrong. Making things worse after that, were the fact that my home life was a tragedy, failing relationship (engagement, 6yrs), which now I couldn't leave because I had no income. Then all 3 of my very closest friends moved to different states within months of eachother, an old flame came back into my life only to leave me heartbroken, there was a death in my family (which I felt a lot of guilt for), my brother kept trying to kill himself, I had a huge falling out with pretty much my entire family, couldn't find work & due to all the stress, developed an overactive immune system which made me have allergic reactions to everything where I break out in awful boils & hives all the time! I feel like Job, from the hebrew bible!!! Lol.
So coming out of that...really where does one go? Every aspect of my life/mind/values has been restructured, everything I was so sure of before, I'm not anymore. I'm fearful & insecure & unsure of myself...and it's all very new to me, I'm not used to being this person & I don't like it at all, I feel weak & pathetic.
The only reason I mention all of this, is because, I think at that job I was fulfilling that Virgo element...organizing, managing, sevice to others etc. and I've never been better than when was there. So I think I get the concept & can find validity in all you've written...right now for me though its' not so much about not knowing what I need to be doing, it's about knowing where to go to do it/find it. I feel as though I've picked apart every sector of my life searching for the answer of what the *@!! I'm suppose to be doing and all I keep finding are roadblocks. Tried working on my career-fail, tried focusing on my love life-triple fail, tried just focusing on myself, but all that gets me is to a place of self-hate for failing at everything else & not understanding why. I go over the situations a thousand times in my head trying to figure out what I did wrong, what I should've done but didn't, where my critical errors were...but I always come to the same conclusion, nothing, if I had to do it all over, I'd do everything the same. I did all the right things, but still ended up in a very wrong place???
Combine my natural restlessness with my new inability to whole heartedly believe in anything anymore, and here I am.
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Originally Posted by D.M.]
Now to the release...the resolution of the 'Tension'...of the conflict of the 'T' Square... now viewed as a 'Grand Cross'...the resolution of conflict[s] through integrative action[s] ...it is found at the 9th degree of Virgo and trough the symbolism of the Sabian Symbol found there it may be so achieved....which is[ibid.]:
"AN EXPRESSIONIST PAINTER AT WORK.
KEYNOTE: The urge to express one's individualized sense of value regardless of tradition.
At this stage the individual is seen reacting against cultural standards and stereotyped ways of interpreting his perceptions. This is a statement of uncompromising self-reliance, which may even imply a kind of defiance and a challenge to society. The mind is seeking to discover the character of the basic and true foundation of individual selfhood, the AUM tone (or logos) of individual being. In the process, however, what is expressed is usually the reflection of a deep catharsis with emotionally charged and often tragic overtones.
This fourth stage symbol brings to us the hint of a technique of transformation of the personality. What predominates is a sense of inner conflict and an over-selfconscious attempt at "being oneself." [Unquote]
I'm guessing this is my X on the map of my life right now!?
[Quote:
Originally Posted by D.M.]
...remember that once a month the transiting Moon does occupy this degree and those are times you have probably been aware of this 'angst' and all...and as it is so transitory, possibly you've not recognized it in a positive manner...that is, no realization, no understanding of what it's effect on you is has been...nor an epiphany as to the resolution through integration and the wonderful utilization, that once integrated, it could subsequently be put to...but rather...especially in this days hectic and tumultuous world, so demanding of all our time and attention as it so seems...it's been a bothersome and debilitating mental quandary...eroding at your being...your mental, emotional and physical health too.
But there are also those times when a less ephemeral body does occupy it and those are the times you have to look at the inherent qualities of said influence and utilize the opportunity to bring the overall integration to fruition...and maybe a lil' meditation to help rein in that impatience, sense of urgentness....that, if you do recognize and agree, is a part of your being, has been so much of a stumbling block in the past..to the success you wish to achieve...and possibly has thwarted even anything beyond the conceptualization of as much at times in the past. [Unquote]
I appreciate all you've written & you taking the time to do so. I know my response is a little lengthy & more personal than I'd normally write, but it's the best way I could express my understanding of the information you given. I still don't really feel as though a clear direction is visible to me, but I am back in school now for an entirely different career, the idea of which came to me during one of my many miserable, allergy outbreaks. I'd like to hope that all the tragic events of late have happened for some sort of positive purpose...otherwise the universe is just conspiring against me & I'm crused! Lol.
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Re: Proposed technique for resolving 'T' Squares
by David_Mastrogiovanni on Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:36 pm
[My follow up reply.]
Thanks for accepting my offer of this untested technique applied to your chart and for taking the time to fairly consider it, evaluate it and providing the detail about your life that you did...your reply, the personal information you selflessly offered up and the way you 'packaged it' , that is to say 'well written and detailed yet still succinct...was perfect...in my opinion.
So, it seems that being able to express/demonstrate this inner drive for helping the 'Have Little' and the 'Have None's of society through your 'nine-to-five' is in tenor with the symbolism of the 9th of Virgo. A good friend of mine ['Mitch' , whom I mention in my book] has the 9th of Virgo and Pisces as his I.C. and M.C. of his natal chart...the "HOW" and the "WHY" of the natal chart interpreted through the Sabian Symbols found in those degrees found for the I.C. and M.C.
I totally sympathize with what you've been trough at that job...I went through something very similar in the 1990's...[also mentioned in the same book of mine] ...while, I may have experience a lot more outside pressure and assault you were more emotionally involved and on very personal levels...we both got the chair kicked out from under us and then kicked some more physically while we were down.
I went through a lot of additional trials and test afterwards too...was so beat down that I didn't think anything else could be 'thrown at me'...and found out otherwise about that too.
Then came some signs...a number of them...omens, if you please...unmistakable to me as to 'Where or from Whom' they came...I realized I was being assured that I had been tested and that I passed the test and was now ready for the 'real work' I was always meant to do...although I had to wait until I was over 50 years old to know it...not that I could have 'sped things up' either...it was ...I was...designed that way...to be at this present time not in the past. I can give most of the credit to 'making it to this point' to my faith in God and continued use of prayer and other spiritual practices...I don't know if you are a 'Believer'...but if you are, I cannot stress enough the value of prayer, ....avow for it ...and to the power of it and that it will bestow you too...and, especially if it should mean disaster averted from the practice/use of it ...the applying of it ...then, most urgently the IMPORTANCE of it...
You may..you probably will...be interested in the Sabian Symbols for some of your astrological Parts then...as for Increase and Benefits [$$]. Fortune [being fortunate...not acquiring a 'fortune'], Sudden Advancement and the Part of Catastrophe for examples...also, a natal chart axis Sabian Symbol analysis would be in order too.
...also, I've got to say...now that you know this about yourself...and you've seen it demonstrated...
Why not give it all you got? But, declare yourself and dedicate your self to 'That' Cosmic Precept of assisting those folks...as the symbol for Virgo 9* is saying 'you have to be creative and in the way you see need to do so'...which is what you did in that prior job...even though it may seem like it was all business and technical and such...you made a 'Thing of Beauty' out of it...a 'work of art'...and the way you proceeded to do it an 'ART' itself...don't give up now...the 'Cosmos' just bloodied your nose a little bit to get you to realize that you've got mad skills in the ring too...there are a lot of rounds left in the match and you've still got plenty of fight in you...and what's even better...now you know for sure what it is you are fighting for. [pardon all the boxing similes if you can...just my way of saying...]
Change your resume` as to 'what 'Life Goals', 'Positions Wanted' that sort of thing ..is all.
Go get 'em...I'll be rooting for 'ya.
Thanks for accepting my offer of this untested technique applied to your chart and for taking the time to fairly consider it, evaluate it and providing the detail about your life that you did...your reply, the personal information you selflessly offered up and the way you 'packaged it' , that is to say 'well written and detailed yet still succinct...was perfect...in my opinion.
So, it seems that being able to express/demonstrate this inner drive for helping the 'Have Little' and the 'Have None's of society through your 'nine-to-five' is in tenor with the symbolism of the 9th of Virgo. A good friend of mine ['Mitch' , whom I mention in my book] has the 9th of Virgo and Pisces as his I.C. and M.C. of his natal chart...the "HOW" and the "WHY" of the natal chart interpreted through the Sabian Symbols found in those degrees found for the I.C. and M.C.
I totally sympathize with what you've been trough at that job...I went through something very similar in the 1990's...[also mentioned in the same book of mine] ...while, I may have experience a lot more outside pressure and assault you were more emotionally involved and on very personal levels...we both got the chair kicked out from under us and then kicked some more physically while we were down.
I went through a lot of additional trials and test afterwards too...was so beat down that I didn't think anything else could be 'thrown at me'...and found out otherwise about that too.
Then came some signs...a number of them...omens, if you please...unmistakable to me as to 'Where or from Whom' they came...I realized I was being assured that I had been tested and that I passed the test and was now ready for the 'real work' I was always meant to do...although I had to wait until I was over 50 years old to know it...not that I could have 'sped things up' either...it was ...I was...designed that way...to be at this present time not in the past. I can give most of the credit to 'making it to this point' to my faith in God and continued use of prayer and other spiritual practices...I don't know if you are a 'Believer'...but if you are, I cannot stress enough the value of prayer, ....avow for it ...and to the power of it and that it will bestow you too...and, especially if it should mean disaster averted from the practice/use of it ...the applying of it ...then, most urgently the IMPORTANCE of it...
You may..you probably will...be interested in the Sabian Symbols for some of your astrological Parts then...as for Increase and Benefits [$$]. Fortune [being fortunate...not acquiring a 'fortune'], Sudden Advancement and the Part of Catastrophe for examples...also, a natal chart axis Sabian Symbol analysis would be in order too.
...also, I've got to say...now that you know this about yourself...and you've seen it demonstrated...
Why not give it all you got? But, declare yourself and dedicate your self to 'That' Cosmic Precept of assisting those folks...as the symbol for Virgo 9* is saying 'you have to be creative and in the way you see need to do so'...which is what you did in that prior job...even though it may seem like it was all business and technical and such...you made a 'Thing of Beauty' out of it...a 'work of art'...and the way you proceeded to do it an 'ART' itself...don't give up now...the 'Cosmos' just bloodied your nose a little bit to get you to realize that you've got mad skills in the ring too...there are a lot of rounds left in the match and you've still got plenty of fight in you...and what's even better...now you know for sure what it is you are fighting for. [pardon all the boxing similes if you can...just my way of saying...]
Change your resume` as to 'what 'Life Goals', 'Positions Wanted' that sort of thing ..is all.
Go get 'em...I'll be rooting for 'ya.
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Re: Proposed technique for resolving 'T' Squares
by David_Mastrogiovanni on Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:19 pm
The last post. It developed into quite a bit more involving the woman i was doing the 'interpretation' for...and , of course, involves more Sabian Symbol application...it really built itself into a lovely example of what I've been running into these last few years [since I've learned that the Symbols are not only valid...but essential to understanding]...as the whole chart displays an 'overall tenor' of symbolism to the 'gestalt', of the birth chart.
...you can pick it up at this link...
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/sh ... hp?t=41571
...you can pick it up at this link...
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/sh ... hp?t=41571
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