[copied from mt thread on this same topic at astrologyweekly.com]
I've neglected this thread for awhile. I want to introduce the Arabic Part that is called the Part of Lawsuits or Part of Disputes.
Afew years ago unaware that this Part had been recognized I asked my clairvoyant friend about this Part and how it should be so named. I had noticed that the formula is basically the opposite of that for what is known as the Part of Intelligence or Part of Skill or Part of Wisdom...I inquired if it should not be then so called the Part of Ignorance or Part of Lack of Wisdom...She replied; "i see it as the 'Part of Innocence'."
It has so far proven to my satisfaction that indeed it should be know as that...the Part of Innocence. [...in being 'Innocent' of knowing something... illustrated symbolically by the Sabian Symbol found at that degree...such 'not knowing'...could very easily be perceived as a 'Dispute'...]
The formula is Asc. + Mercury - Mars...for this Chart that I propose is that of Yeshua it comes to 18* Gemini 34'...i.e. the 19th degree of Gemini.]
from Rudhyar's book on the Sabian Symbols:
" (GEMINI 19°): A LARGE ARCHAIC VOLUME REVEALS A TRADITIONAL WISDOM.
KEYNOTE: Contacting the all-human planetary Mind underlying any cultural and personal mentality.
Occult tradition tells us that all cyclic manifestations of the human mind have had a primordial revelatory Source. It speaks of ancient books made of especially treated papyrus leaves and conveying through symbols the archetypal processes at the root of all earthly existence (see Blavatsky's Secret Doctrine). Such volumes, said to remain in the possession of certain Adepts, constitute the "exteriorization" of archetypal knowledge and wisdom. They contain the "seed-ideas" from which the human mind grows, cyclically producing cultures of various types.
This fourth stage symbol evokes for us the "technique" by means of which the human mind can uncover the foundations of its nature and acquire what might be called SEED-KNOWLEDGE, the knowledge of the structure of cyclic and cosmic manifestations of life on this planet."
.well, that is interesting...as each person has a point of Innocence... a weakness...a debility as it is...it is most intriguing to fathom what Jesus/Yeshuas most likely had been.
This phrase "Seed Knowledge" is exactly the overall tenor of the birth chart of Rudhyar himself...in fact the very term and appropriate symbology is in a couple of significant degrees in Danes chart.
Thinking about it I can see plausibility here. Yeshua was always focused on the 'Above' ..The Divine...the Macro...not he Meso so much...what 'seed knowledge' man can access and to what purpose it serves would probably be of little interest to Yeshua...he was all about 'awakening' people...bringing them to awareness and awareness and understanding of Divine seeds of knowledge...he need no tools of divination,,,amulets for protection or healing...no sigils or incantations as He could already portend, protect, heal, manifest, trans-mutate...etc.
interestingly President Obamas is the 28th of Sag and that degree is the Part ofr Tragedy or Fatality for Yeshua [Asc. + Saturn - Sun] it is about an Old Covered Bridge across a beautiful stream and represents an 'intercessor' to 'The Other Side"...and Rudhyars keywords for the symbology and degree is "The Beautiful Necessity"...and it is the Beautiful Necessity of Yeshuas life that he had to die physically, a "Fatality", that had to be in order for Him to become that "Covered Bridge", [a protective intercessor] across the 'stream', to "The Beyond".
This along with Obamas Part of Imprisonment being the 19th of Pisces [it is symbolically 'that' which is kept from our approaching it...we are 'imprisoned from it'...and the 19th of Pisces being "The master Instructing the Discipile"...well, It certainly has given me cause to consider his Islamic upbringing and the question of His current spiritual orientation.