The Seven & the Five.

[David_Mastrogiovanni]

...[To all, I apologize form the randomness of thoughts and the near incoherent, at times, way in which I seem to link them. I've re-written the original post in the hope that this one is more clear as to my intent...thanks for your patience and interest...if any.] Dave Mastry/Devananda

note: 11/18/2012, so as to clarify The following is copied from a thread of mine at the astrologyweekly.com website with exceptions as noted.

Howdy. this little theory of mine was brought up in orciniusorcas' thread on 'Musical Tonality' in the general chat forum.
It has since languished over there and I'd like to revive it here with a thread along a different theme i.e spiritual and Sabian interpretation.
I worked on this for somewhile [and am still 'workin' with it.] and then posed most of the following that appears as 'new thought' to a clairvoyant whom assists me in such matters of seeing beyond what is presently accepted knowldge and she either concurred this is the proper understanding and/or gave me reasonable cause to draw to some conclusions...Please hear me out [and I'm not saying that just because 'Some Psychic' backs me up that this is 'Gospel Truth'...but I think most of you will understand my process of delineation here and the results...and I trust this psychic to be sincere and genuine].

[...this is from a recent posting at astrologyweekly.com ]



...I have a theory on the application of the musical notes to the Zodiac that I elaborated on over at the Astrodienst forum under a thread, I started, titled 'Birth Chart of the Universe".
This theory of mine involves the "Kabbalistic Astrology" book of Rabbi Joel Dobin and how it corresponds with the Sabian Symbols to determine where the OM of creation originated from [The 'Word in the Beginning']. The Rabbi re-translated Habukuk to read that the force of God comes from between Capricorn and Aquarius. OM, by Vedic science, is in the Key of 'B'. Thus by applying a 14 point grid on the Zodiac begininng with the point 00* 00' 00" [actually, since there is no 00* 00' 00" of any degree this occurs just immediately after that point which in fact is 30* 00' 00" Capricorn, thus it is something like 00* 00' 00.ooo....ooo1" Aquarius] and proceeding toward Pisces [which represents the key of 'C'], then Aries which is the key of C# {or D flat depending upon your musical nomenclature]...and so on... there is to be a point every 25.714285 degrees [Half the slope of the 'Great Pyramid']. The hypothetical but non-existent 'B#' and 'E#' must be accounted for by this theory of mine. [The hypothetical but non-existent B# is at 25.714285* Aquarius...for example and clarification.]


When the points are connected by 7ths or 5ths [as is the law of musical scale harmonics] you end up with a 12 pointed 'Star Matrix' consisting of two groups of 7 points & 5. When connected in this manner, note that the signs come out grouped as they are presently arranged above and below the equator. For example; Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scopio, Sagittarius, Capricorn and Aquarius are the '7', and the remainder the '5' .

The 12 point Matrix is supposed to represent the "True Path of Discipleship' by some sources [The writings of Dorthy Leon is one]
And if it's as Rudhyar stated that all paths of discipleship begin in Virgo. This is highly illuminating as the first point that one connects to from 00* 00' 00.ooo...ooo1" Aquar. is the point in Virgo in the 22nd degree [ at 21.4285713 degrees Virgo to be precise] when one connects these 'Dots' in cycles of 5ths or 7ths. This also corresponds to some ancient Mesopotamian or Babylonian [or they could have been Summerian or Assyrian...I'm not sure] bas-reliefs we have seen with a man beneath an arrangement of Stars above him in this configuration of seven stars to one side of him and five stars to his other side.

Also the Sabians that are at these points are most interesting if viewed with the hypothesis they represent the "True Path of Discipleship"...as, according to Rudhyar all true paths of discipleship begin in Virgo then one reads the symbol for the 22nd degree of Virgo and proceeds to the symbol for the 18th degree of Libra then the 13th degree of Scorpio and so forth for a 'Symbolically Illustrated 12 Step Path of Discipleship" ...all in all, pretty far out stuff, I'll admit...but this theory has got a lot going for it.

Then, by this line of thought the "True Path of Discipleship" begins at Virgo 22*...the symbol for which [from Rudhyars' book] "A ROYAL COAT OF ARMS ENRICHED WITH PRECIOUS STONES. KEYNOTE: The certification of aristocratic status, at whatever level "nobility" expresses itself in cultural eminence. ...Every great Adept has come out of a line of human beings who have made their marks upon human evolution...."

...and the "Path" ends with the 26th degree of Leo the symbol for which is {Rudhyar] "AFTER THE HEAVY STORM, A RAINBOW. KEYNOTE: Linking above and below, the Covenant with ones' divine nature, promise of immortality...we find the man who has been able to weather the cathartic storm face-to-face with his divine Archetype; because he has been victorious, a link has been established with his divine Soul-being...[and Rudhyars' Keyword{s} for this symbol} ...REVELATION OF WORTH"

I believe you should be able to get a pretty good picture of how this is working here by the above.
One has to prove their, or give "certification of aristocratric status" of a sort, to petition for discipleship in most all practices of spirituality that have "Paths of Discipleship."
And what symbol of the entire 360 could be more appropriate to the last step of any "Path of Discipleship" than...the sign from God of a mission [or Journey, or Lesson or 'Path of Discipleship'?] accomplished??

Thus what I see that we end up with here symbolically, when we use my theory/system and a fourteen point matrix, is the Path of Discipleship illustrated by ...

Symbol #1 Virgo 22* Initiation...The Certification that one is worthy as a candidate for the Path of True Discipleship...at the beginning

Symbol #12 Leo 26* Graduation...the Revelation that your are Worth-y and you have passed the test from God theirself...at the end!


...a lot of this can also be possibly be viewed as more pieces of the picture in the puzzle from the "As Above, So Below" school of thought.

Try drawing this out for yourselves, where you get a 12 pointed star of 7 tines on one side and 5 tines on the other...read all the Sabians involved in the 12 steps... Stating with Virgo 22* and proceeding through the Zodiac until the 26th of Leo and you'll see what I mean!
[I'm not sure how to regard the two 'degrees of the Zodiac @ the 26th of Aquar. and the 30th of Cancer...{in fact right at 29.99999...* Cancer???...this is an interesting matrix!}...but these two degrees are at the least 'some sort of "place holders" in the equation...and then possibly that and nothing more.]


AND I APOLOGIZE HERE FOR USING METRIC INSTEAD OF ASTRO-NUMERIC..I don't know how to accurately convert it.


...Again, figure the first point at 00* 00' 00.oo....ooo1" Aquarius and this marks the musical note 'B'
25.7142857* Aquar. is the hypothetical/non-existent B#
21.4285714* Pisces is C
17.1428571* Aries is C#
12.8571428* Taurus is D
08*.5714285* Gemini is D#
04*2857142* Cancer is E
29.9999999* Cancer is the hypothetical/non-existent E#
25.7142856* Leo is F
21.4285713* Virgo is F#
17.1428570* Libra is G
12.8571427* Scorpio is G#
08.5714284* Sagittarius is A
04.2857141* Capricorn is A#

Now here's something else about this arrangement that I like...and gives it some weight for thought.
It has to do with musical harmonics and my 'Runic Explanation' of the Zodiac which is posted elsewhere in this forum.

All you musicians [and some of you non-musicians] know that the keys of 'C' and 'G' harmonize.

The key of 'C' consists of the notes: C, D, E, F, G, A, B
The Key of 'G' consists of the notes: G, A, B, C, D, E, F#

note that the half-step in the key of 'C' is between the notes 'E' and 'F'
and the half-step in the key of 'G' is between the notes 'B' and 'C'
...now whats so interesting about this?...the note of 'E' is Cancer and the 'F' is Leo, and by my 'Runic' explanation Cancer is "All Water On The Earth" and Leo is "All Fire On The Earth" = ...."EVAPORATION!"

...The note of 'B' is Aquarius and the 'C' is Pisces, and by my 'Runic' explanation Aquarius [the Water Bearer] is "All Air Above The Earth" and Pisces is "All Water Above The Earth" = "RAIN!"

DO YOU ALL SEE WHAT I'M SEEING HERE? ...THAT...

Thus, Keys of 'C' & 'G' = HARMONY

& Evaporation & Rain = HARMONY

[...ARE YA' DIGGIN IT?]...Again with the indications/implications that Astrology is the "Mother of All Science"...and interestingly I recently read a passage from a book by Rudhyar wherein He was so bold as to make the same statement, in the context, that 'some day it would be proven as such'.

At one time I kew of a couple of very esoteric web-sites that had mention of things along the lines of this subject I'm pursuing...but they have since disappeared...or it's due to my poor computer skills I can't locate them again....

....SSSOOooooooo....


IF ANYONE COULD PROVIDE ANYMORE INFO ON THIS BAS-RELIEF I SAW...OR OF ANY MESO-ASSYR-BABO-ZORASTRIAN LEGEND CONCERNING 'THE SEVEN & THE FIVE', HERE IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED!
_[note, 11/30/10 I corrected the sentence near the intro that identified this as being copied from this site...I meant to say that it was copied from astrology weekly.com]_________________

[David_Mastrogiovanni]

[copied from the same aforementioned thread at astrologyweekly.com}



Okay, let's look at the next symbol.
First, let me state that when I came up with this arrangement I was someplace remote where I didn't have my book on the Sabians. I wrote my good friend and fellow yogi, Suryakant, and asked him to look these degrees up and mail me the results.
Now Suryakant at that time was 63 years old. He was one of the first disciples of the Mahesh Yogi of TM [and one of the very first instructors] and in the 70s' became a disciple of the Lala order of Mahakundalini...thus He knows something about the "Path of Discipleship".
In the letter I recieved from him, a few couple of weeks, later he started out in his letter grumbling about how he didn't like the idea of looking up and writing down 12 of the Sabian Symbols from Rudhyars' book on the subject...especially in light of how He said he expected it to turn out to be some "wild goose chase". He said he couldn't understand why this couldn't wait until I got back and could look them up my self. But, I had anticipated this and told him I was far too anxious to see what my theory had uncovered to wait the 6 weeks or so that it would take.
Suryakant had seen me in astrological action for a few years by then and knew what I was capable of...so, he did this for me. Then after He did He said He was glad He had done so. Suryakant went on in his letter to thank me and comment that he was glad I had done just that...
Suryakant said that these symbols, in this order do, represent the "Path of Discipleship", and that by my making him read and write them out caused him to reflect deeply on them and 'see' it...as He got to read these symbols before I had... his letter gave me great encouragement and I couldn't wait to read all twelve...I highly repect his opinion on spiritual matters, yoga, discipleshhip Sanskrit, Hindu theology et. al.

Anyways...the next symbol to follow is that for the 18th DEGREE of LIBRA, which is [from Rudhyars' book] "TWO MEN PLACED UNDER ARREST. Keynote: A breakdown in the constructive relationship between the individual and society, and the expectable result...the individual whose actions introduce unacceptable principle [or radically different such as following an 'Ascetics' path. ptv] into the established order runs the risk of being 'punished' or re-formed according to this order. The problem for a society is how to include in its patterns of order agencies or channels for transformation-and particularly how to keep them truly operative; for indiviuals, it is how to make their transforming vision or impulse acceptable to society. The symbol does not reveal what caused the breakdown in the relationship between the individual and society..."

Well, this does make sense. The first thing one undergoes on the "Path" is a sense of ostracization...you are usually denying yourself some form of sense stimuli...possibly you need seclusion for meditation/prayer...your old friends will suddenly 'Not understand you', and not want to hang out with you as often...if at all."
The symbol of 'being under arrest', just as easily can mean to 'arrest oneself' away from the things/stimuli one needs to be removed from for discilpline [that's discipline as in disciple...]

...in another sense it could also mean to arrest the attention...which is so important for meditation/prayer on the "Path of Discipleship".

{...Ever since I had read in one of Dorothy Leons writings that the 12 pointed star/matrix represented the "True Path of Discipleship", I had causually 'tooled around' the Zodiac, symbolically, looking to "see' if any 12 point matrix on a 30* or "Grand Semi-Sextile" template made sense along this theme symbolically. I hadn't found anything....that is using a 30* template...why does 25.714285...degrees work out ?????? I don't have the answer to that. The mystery [if there is one] lies in understanding this 7/5 thing...12/14 thing...the answer lies in the magic of the math, I believe.
But,when I couple what I've found symbolically with my theory that; "if it consists of 12 points it should have something to do with the musical scale", coupled with Rudhyars' statement in many writings that, "Virgo is the start of all Paths of Discipleship", that the linking of the points in the matrix [by the 'musical' 7ths of 5ths] leads to an arrangement of 7 & 5 points/tines as seen in the aforementioned bas-reliefs [and mentioned in some very esoteric writings of which I can no longer locate on the web or remember the souce of...but now I'm beginning to think I remember one source was possibly Manichean...I'll have to check some more]...anyways, when I connect all these "Dots"...it makes sense...a lot of sense... and seems like a very worthy theory to further explore/develop.}



...So, so far I have here three degrees that make sense as per what the symbols for the "Path of True Discipleship" should be.
The first two...i.e. Virgo 22* & Libra 18* and the last symbol in the sequence...Leo 26*.
I'll cover the other nine symbols that lie in-between, in installments, if anyone finds this conjecture/subject of mine of interest enough for me to continue.
Dave Mastry
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[David_Mastrogiovanni]

Greetings. My good friend and fellow yogi, Suryakant, provided me with this link. I believe I may have the break or lead I've been searching for.
I just love in the text about how "Harmony" is to be found between the Seven and the Five. Check it out.
I've long held a fascination for Zorastrianism and know little of Manicheanism...it is said that Parsival was a Manichean...the Plot is Afoot!

http://books.google.com/books?id=2X-fqV ... q=&f=false

[David_Mastrogiovanni]

...I know little of Manicheanism...yet I am compelled to study it ...as per understanding/confirming my astrological theory above on the 'Seven & The Five'.
For anyone who is also in interest of Manicheanism, I found this link.
I can't vouch for the accuracy of the info but it does come from a fairly respected source.


http://www.hermetic.com/sabazius/mani.htm

[David_Mastrogiovanni]

Greetings. Well, once again I've run into something that gives support to my theory posted above concerning the application of the Musical Scale or Musical Tonality and its relationship to the angle of the sides of the Great Pyramid....51.42871....*
There is a video available to watch on the internet called the "2012 Enigma" and it is presented by a fellow named David Wilcock.
In info presented He talks about Acoustic mechanics and how the degree of the angle of the Great Pyramid applies to it.

...I do recommend seeing it...but be forewarned the bulk of the presentation is a bit far out as it pertains to a lot a odd subjects...such as the "Philadelphia Experiment", "The Montauk Project", "Project Looking Glass"...etc.
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[David_Mastrogiovanni]

"Now because evil has five members while the good has seven, the good only remains by itself at the beginning and at the end. But, in the middle period of its evolution it dips down into the five and redeems the harmony of the twelve foldedness." Manichean

[David_Mastrogiovanni]

Playing with the application of visible spectrum to the Zodiac today...as a very stimulating conversation with 'Mitch' [mentioned in my book, and not his 'real name'.] the other night and his talk of the Seventh Ray info he was aware of lead to this.
It took about all of 5 mins. to come up with this...if it is proved to be the solution, someday, I will asked to be slapped for it being so simple...posthumous slaps will be accepted and acknowledged by 'Thunderclap' or 'Rainbow', conditions permitting.

The six colors of the spectrum are Indigo, Blue, Green, Red, Orange and Yellow. The seventh ray or missing colour is Violet.

This is my proposal...and it makes sense because watch where the 'missing ray/colour falls'...

The 'B' Aquarius/Leo 'F' is the colour Indigo
'A#' Capricorn/Cancer 'E' is the colour Blue
'A' Sagittarius/Gemini 'D#' is the colour Green
'G#' Scorpio/Taurus 'D' is the colour Yellow
'G' Libra/Aries 'C#' is the colour Orange
'F#' Virgo/Pisces 'C' is the colour Red
and the phantom 'B#' Aquarius/Cancer 'E#' is the missing ray, the colour Violet

..see the interesting connection?...and as the white light of the Holy Eternal Light of the Logos, OM, enters at the Ajna, for which the 'Beej Mantra' is OM and thus enters at the 'B' which vibrates with the Ajna, which is why I place the colour Indigo there [Indigo being the colour most commonly avowed to as being the colour associated with the Ajna...also known as 'The Third Eye'] the Sun and the Moon being those two Luminaries as to which the Bible states were given to us as Gods Eternal Light as because it is how that Light can only be manifested in the physical Universe, I find delightfully intriguing...the missing ray is associated with both the Sun/Leo and the Moon/Cancer...


This arrangement then gives some indication as to why Aquarius breaks the pattern of all the 'negative polarity' or Moon side of the division of the Zodiac got to be one of the '7' of the Sun side division of the Zodiac...can you see it? Aquarius hooks up with Leo for the Polarity of both sign and tonality and Aquarius hooks up with Cancer for the Phantom note..the note that isn't there, the missing colour, the seventh ray, Violet...and Aquar./Cancer isn't of Polarity...and can't be if both are negative polarity as signs ...thus why the keys of tonality, B# and E# don't exist..or, at least, it sure makes sense to me.

[an alternative theory is that the 7 major keys are the colours and the Five sharp keys are the somehow associated appropriately. I would want to find a way to make the '7' all the major keys and the '5' the sharps...and will tinker with that...unless someone wishes to work on it and post it before I get around to it...which, considering how long it took me to get around to this, from the last time I posted on this thread...might be awhile, if even ever....as I have a hunch this should be the, or a clue to, the solution of the colour app. to the tonality and the Zodiac...
or, just another simply foolish idea from a simple idiotic fool...]

Opinions?

ps...I include this...source, H.P. Blavatsky [I don't know if it is accurate...I figure some one in the forum will note if it is or not...]


Colors
Wave-lengths in millimeters................................Number of vibrations in trillions

Violet extreme
406.............................759
Violet
423.............................709
Violet-Indigo
439.............................683
Indigo
449.............................660
Indigo-Blue
459.............................654
Blue
479.............................631
Blue-Green
492.............................610
Green
512.............................583
Green-Yellow
523.............................564
Yellow
551.............................544
Yellow-Orange
571.............................525
Orange
583.............................514
Orange-Red
596.............................503
Red
620.............................484
Red extreme
645.............................465