The astrology of time

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Re: The astrology of time

Postby Bruce_Scofield on Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:31 pm

The inferior conjunction of Venus and Sun occurred on March 27th at about 7 Aries. The Moon was in the picture as well. The Maya were fearful of this time and it does appear that events driven by impulsive decisions often dominate the news around that time. So far we have a mass killing in Binghampton, NY as an example. I've also found that when planets aspect the degree of the conjunction you get an "effect." Watch for Mars at 7 Aries on May 1.
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Re: The astrology of time

Postby Bruce_Scofield on Tue May 12, 2009 9:37 am

Some thoughts about the recent inferior conjunction of Venus - the one the Maya and Aztecs dreaded.
Most times these are followed by news events characterized by impulsivity and bad judgement, and sometimes by panic. This last one, in early April, was followed by the Swine Flu scare. This is one "effect" that has actually been predicted by a few borderland scientists over the years. They argue that when Venus is between the Sun and the Earth, the solar wind actually blows some of Venus' atmosphere, which is presumably full of organic molecules, to Earth, setting off epidemics.
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Re: The astrology of time

Postby Kenneth_Johnson on Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:28 am

The questions have been raised: Why 13? Why 20? And what does the 13 x 20 = 260 equation mean?

I don't believe that any of these questions have a single answer. Here are some of the numerous answers I have acquired over the last 20 years.

20: This is the easiest one to understand. As Bruce points out, 20 is the number of digits on our hands and feet. The Mayan word for a count of 20 is "uinal," while the word for "human being" is "uinic." Obviously, the two are related. Also, Bruce is correct when he remarks that it might have something to do with the Moon. There is an oral tradition among the Maya that the 20th day of the moon is particularly auspicious, though I am not sure why. The hieroglyphic symbol for "moon" is the same as the one for the number "20". Only context can determine which meaning is intended. One of the problems with the Mesoamerican Calendar is that any question as to what this or that factor "means" has to be predicated on the question: "Among which culture and at what period of history?" There seems to have been a lot of variation. Shortly before the Spanish Conquest, the Yucatec Maya almost certainly believed that the Moon Goddess was the divine patroness of the Sacred Calendar.

13: The answer to this one is guaranteed to drive you nuts! First, we are back in the realm of the Moon Goddess. Martin Prechtel, who was the source for most of the anthropology emerging from the Lake Atitlan region during the 1970s and 80s, has remarked that the Tzutujil Maya recognize 12 aspects of the Moon Goddess with her totality comprising the 13th. Also, it should be noted that there are 13 major joints in the human body -- ankles, knees, hips, wrists, elbows, shoulders, and the neck. Also, while many Mesoamerican societies perceived the "creature at the base of the World Tree" as a caiman or alligator, they were also familiar with it as a turtle. If you ignore the weird little bumps and protrusions and just count the rectangles on a turtle's shell, you will find that there are 13 of them. Statuettes of turtles depicted as calendars go back all the way to the pre-Classic era in Mesoamerica. So 13 is also the number of Turtle Island. The Mayan "place of creation" was in the Gemini/Orion region, perceived as a turtle.

13 x 20 = 260. Some have remarked that 260 is the interval between solar zenith passages at 15 degrees north latitude. They have suggested that this places the original location of the Calendar's invention. One of the places suggested for its origin is Izapa, which is indeed at 15 north. But there is also good evidence that the Calendar was an Olmec invention, in which case we can forget about the zenith passage, since this is not at 15 north. Martin told me in private conversation that he didn't think that had anything to do with it. I asked him also about the factor mentioned by Bruce, that this is sometimes linked with the human gestation cycle. He replied, "That's a very basic level, like a gingerbread tale. We give that answer to anthropologists so that they will leave us alone and let us get back to work. There is always more than one answer to these questions, and the real story is much too long. It has a lot to do with Venus and the Moon."

Those remarks are from my notes, dated 1995. I never knew what he meant by Venus and the Moon. In the past year or two, I have discovered (through Susan Milbrath) that if you note the first conjunction that Venus makes with the Moon after its emergence from the Underworld, then pass through the visibility cycle, the next disappearance, and count forward to its next lunar conjunction after re-emergence, the (variable) interval will average out at around 260 days.

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Re: The astrology of time

Postby Sonja Foxe on Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:48 am

the 20 day cycle in mesoamerican calendrics always seemed a self evident truth -- the 20 fingers and toes -- first digital computer, the original biometric

i'm pretty convinced that copan 15n is the matrix -- not only for the heliacal noon passage demarking the 260 cycle for corn growth, but by the very awesomeness of being on the 90th meridian way before the zero point at greenwich was established -- i've seen some graphics of an overlay of the galaxy on the globe and the milky way -- so important in meso-am myth -- lines up with the obvious emigration trail from beringia/alaska down the west coast which first populated these continents with humans when the galactic center at 5 sidereal sagittarius conjuncted the tropical summer solstice point. the city (copan) grid is aligned 23 degrees off which too seems to resonate with the galactic/earth angle -- and the mayan ceremony of raising the sky is, of course, related to the rise of the galactic circle from eastern horizon to midheaven.
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Re: The astrology of time

Postby Bruce_Scofield on Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:20 pm

Regarding Ken's comment - The appearance interval of Venus, regardless of any connections with the Moon, averages 263 days. 260 also meshes almost perfectly with the synodic cycle of Mars, comes very close to the synodic cycle of Mercury, and also the eclipse half year. There are other longer periods as well, but it has always seemed to me that the tzokin was an astonomical calculator and incorporated natural rhythms in a very strange way - like a lowest common denominator.

Regarding Sonja's comment - one thought I've tossed around is that the bollide that hit Yucatan 65 million years ago modified the crust and affected the spin rate of the Earth emphasizing that longitude in some way. Or a massive dust cloud created a disturbance to the normal day-night pattern and organisms adjusted accordingly. Whatever - the impact threw the longitude of the Maya lands into some sort of different regulatory state - and maybe that's why the day-signs seem to work only if that longitude is used as the referent.
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