Birth Chart of the U.S. of A.?

[David_Mastrogiovanni]

More to follow...
D.M.

[David_Mastrogiovanni]

...from a.w. Forum...[a different thread. D.M.]


Review, The Asc. of a natal chart is
the "WHO", for this U.S. of A.
natal chart that is the 22nd of Aries: [Rudhyar]

"THE GATE TO THE GARDEN OF ALL FULFILLED DESIRES.

KEYNOTE: Abundance made possible by human togetherness and cooperation.

In contrast [to the previous degree and symbol at the 21st of Aries]Alone, a human being can barely survive in nature's great life drama; in organized groups men can in due time fulfill their desires. The abundant life is in theory open to all. At least this is the ideal, the great dream...
...the goal of happiness dominates the consciousness of cultural man, the more validly so the more modest his desires. Religious philosophies, like American New Thought, glorify this social feeling of abundance, glamorizing it into an avid COSMIC OPTIMISM and a cult of success."

Let me emphasize here:
Abundance that can only be made possible by human togetherness and cooperation with an avid Cosmic optimism.
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[David_Mastrogiovanni]

...from a.w. forum 7/30/2012...


he Descendant . represents
the "WHERE-TO" of the U.S. of A
.
The Descendant of this chart is the 22nd of Libra [ibid.]
[it happens to be the degree of my natal Neptune in my 11th House btw...which I bring up as I know it well and understand it so much. To have it on the Desc. the cusp of the 7th House the house of relationships is not too unlike that of the house of friends...noi?]

"A CHILD GIVING BIRDS A DRINK AT A FOUNTAIN.

KEYNOTE: The concern of simple souls for the welfare and happiness of less-evolved beings who thirst for life renewal.

...Man, who has built the fountain — perhaps on arid land and through skillful work — gives the life-bestowing water to the thirsting birds. He does not go to the sea, but he brings the purified, drinkable water to the birds needing it. The connection between "child" and "birds" implies a spontaneous, nai've rapport at the spiritual level, a soul-touch at the level of pure feelings. At this...stage of the...process ... takes on a suggestive aspect. What you received from the Infinite, you can give to the finite beings that thirst for it. Man does not need to destroy nature's wilderness through greed and carelessness; he can transform this wilderness into a garden,[emphasis is mine ptv] whose singing fountains will attract birds. We can use here Marc Jones's Keyword for this degree: SOLICITUDE."

So we Have the 'WHO" what this nation called the United States of America is

"The Garden Of All Fulfilled Desires."


...yep, sounds about right. The Land of Plenty, The Land Of Opportunity, "beautiful for spacious skies, for amber waves of grain, for purple mountain majesties above the fruited plain. [&] for halcyon skies above the enameled plain"

And is destined to become, but not by destroying nature's wilderness through greed and carelessness that is will become even more than 'The Garden' it was envisioned at birth it will be by transforming this wilderness into a garden, that 'The Garden' will also become a place, a haven for concern of those more spiritual oriented souls, who were the greater base population that was settling in that land, [The 'Society of Friends", {my ancestral American roots, since 1686, aka "Quakers"} invited all persecuted religious orders in the Old World, Christian and Jewish alike, to come live among them in Pennsylvania as "Friends"] for the welfare and happiness of less-evolved beings who thirst for life renewal through...

"SOLICITUDE"

For the Welfare and Happiness Of Less-Evolved Beings Who Haven't Had The Opportunity To Spiritually Evolve

Perhaps best expressed in this excerpt by American Jewess author and poet, Emma Lazarus in her stirring "Ode to the New World" which is engraved on a plaque at the base of the Statue of Liberty: " 'Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!' cries she with silent lips. 'Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!' "

continued next: "HOW" and "WHY" the U.S.A. is to achieve this...

[David_Mastrogiovanni]

...from a.w. forum 7/30/ 2012...


The M.C. of a natal chart is that of the "HOW" of the chart axis, if one wishes to read the axis in a 'Spiritually Evolutionary" manner of the process [in one wishes to read it the opposite of that, just reverse these two, but the Asc. is the "WHO" and the Desc. remains the "WHERE-TO" regardless.]

The M.C. of this chart for the U.S.A. I propose is the legitimate natal chart of its' birth [or at the least as worthy as any other for consideration to be the natal chart...imho...of course...!] is the
"HOW" the U.S. of A. is to achieve "WHERE-TO"
it is it's destiny to do so become that, literally by the symbolism of the 12th degree of Capricorn.
[ibid.]
"AN ILLUSTRATED LECTURE ON NATURAL SCIENCE REVEALS LITTLE-KNOWN ASPECTS OF LIFE.

KEYNOTE: The ability to explore unfamiliar realms and discover the laws underlying the complex processes of nature.

The aristocratic garden[s of the 'Old World' have now] become the laboratory and lecture hall of a modern college. The emphasis here is on the acquisition of extensive knowledge, the satisfaction of intellectual curiosity. Nevertheless, there is also an aristocracy of science:...[and the danger lies in become an 'aristocracy of science'. To allow the 'Beautiful Garden' of 'Solicitude' for the welfare and happiness of less-spiritually evolved beings that had broken free of the fetters that denied them that opportunity to do so, to become an Orwellian like mechanized genetically modified, chemically dependent, nightmare of a society, arrogantly disrespectful of nature and Humankinds own naturalism, and again bind its' own with those same damning fetters once again ] it is man's essential function to become fully conscious of all life forms and processes on this earth. Mankind is the conscious mind of the planet. [Italics and emphasis are mine. ptv]

...the intellectual search for empirical knowledge contrasts with the display attendant to the wealth and culture of an elite. Civilization is founded on an ever-extended capitalization on knowledge [Italics and emphasis are mine. ptv] and use of technology. ... EXPLOITATION preeminently at all levels."

I just love that part I Italicized and underlined in the last paragraph,
"Capitalization On Knowledge"


...Now to me, ... That's REAL capitalism....


Next up, "WHY"

[David_Mastrogiovanni]

...from a.w. Forum 7/30/2012...


...but I would like first to remind all that the Part of Destiny [M.C. + Sun - Moon] from this chart is the 18th of Gemini
[again, from Dane Rudhyar's book on the Sabian Symbols "An Astrological Mandala"]

"TWO CHINESE MEN CONVERSE IN THEIR NATIVE TONGUE IN AN AMERICAN CITY.

KEYNOTE: The need for the mind to retain its independence from its physical environment in order to concentrate on its special problems.

Individuals [from the Old World] who have entered into a new realm of activity usually find themselves alienated from social environment. [In their way] they "live in the world"... ...but "are not of the world." They normally seek companions who can speak their language. It may be an "old" language, that of wisdom rather than that of knowledge...

...This... ...stage of the process reveals what...[may, and usually does] occur when the individual has developed new capacities for experience that may enable him...[to enter and merge with the infinite like Ocean] of the planetary mind of Man. [to others, the every day Jane and John Q. Public's] He appears to speak a foreign tongue. He experiences a process of INSULATION; [although not ever] really alone. ...He finds those who can understand him."
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[David_Mastrogiovanni]

...from a.w. forum 7/30/2012...


"Thus says the LORD,
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SUN
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(Jeremiah 31:35-36)

The I.C., the Nadir of this proposed natal chart of the U.S. of A. is the 12th of Cancer. To be exact for that stroke of mid-night it reads from astrodiensts' computer ephemeris [pre-compromised] as 11* Cancer 44' 18". I give the exact co-ordinates of the degree of the I.C. as the Sun for this chart is at 12* Cancer 38' 28", that's a conjunction by less than 1 degree of 'orb'. So as such, the Suns' Sabian Symbolism adds to the message of the "WHY" of the nation as to the answer of "WHY" in the process of chart axis Sabian Symbolic analysis of Asc.-to- Desc. and M.C.-to-I.C. ["WHO"-to-"WHERE-TO" & "HOW"-and-"WHY"] it was to be done, in the same order and manner as for that, in getting from "WHO" to "WHERE-TO" & "HOW" for this proposed chart.

That it is thus a sythesis I have found as to the "WHY" of the natal chart message, and I feel that it is most definitely and undeniably so when a Planent, Luminary or Moons Node is within 1 degree of orb, as the Sun is in this chart. One must think of the Suns' own inherent qualities too when adding to the "WHY" of the chart symbolically, and in an 'Evolutionary" procession through the Zodiac which runs clock-wise, and is in opposition to the so called "Traditional Astrology" method, it thus preceeds the I.C. and should be given that consideration too in my opinion but only as that which assists that of "WHY" it was to be so. But because, I have to, for once admit I'm a tad stumped as to the precept of the symbolism itself, if that it doesn't in this instance also indicate "WHY" it was able to be accomplished? If it preceeded the M.C. or the Desc. instead then one would say it asissts the means as to "HOW" or "WHERE-TO", but at this point the objetive and means have been accomplished and the understanding is what is now sought in the procession as to "WHY" . Thus I submit it for all to consider as to them selves or to resolve among you what that might be...
I must say though, this is so appropriate in my opinion for the fact that it has often been said that it was this very quality that maade this nation great back in the day...and I think it is about time we admit that to ourselves and seek to 'right our course' and align ourselves with the Nadir and Mid Haven again.
The Sun for this chart is the 13th of Cancer:[ibid]

"A HAND WITH A PROMINENT THUMB IS HELD OUT FOR STUDY.

KEYNOTE: The power of the will in shaping character.

Here again we see how a personal characteristic reveals what is behind it psychologically and spiritually. The thumb in palmistry signifies the will; a very rigid thumb shows an unbending will; a more flexible one, a more pliable individual. In the original formulation of the symbol the "hand" was said to be "slightly flexed" which may be taken to suggest a more flexible character. Nevertheless, the basic meaning is that individuality can only express itself through a strong character. Whenever this symbol confronts a person or a situation it is shown that a strong will is required to face the issue at stake.

This is the third stage in the twenty-first five-fold sequence, and the Keyword is CHARACTER."

..and that goes so well, I think, when combined with the Sun...the Ego, the raw material of the very psychology of being of the nations' people.

We will add this to the final ingredient...
the "WHY" of it all... as to "WHO" this nation was in the beginnig, "WHERE-TO" it went and became... and "HOW" it did so...
And most of all, in my humble opinion, "WHY" it should, and should always be that 'Trinity'!

next... the answer at last, "WHY"
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[David_Mastrogiovanni]

...from a.w. forum 7/31/2012


I gave some thought to the Sun conjunct I.C. situation through the day and it all became clear to me.

Developing a society of people of strong will and character is part of the "WHY" of this nations' existence.

The ''Explorers'' that crossed either of the two oceans to arrive at the North American Continent, I would tend to be of a very assured opinion that they were men of "strong will and character" and were the exception rather than the rule among the Europeans that came here.
Yet, I also tend to believe that of those who were among the earliest settlers before and right up to the time this land, I'm living upon,[and in fact have never been off of it...as I've only been to about 42 of the "Lower United States" and across the southern most regions of Canada and nowhere else in the entire 59 plus years, I've been in existence.] regardless of how meek, anxious, unsure, indecisive and, also maybe even somewhat, timid began acquiring some iota of a stronger will and developed a bit of more character the moment they stepped off of the ship that brought them here and they stood with both feet upon the soil and saw how vast it's wilderness, the task then now ahead of them and the realization that: they did at that moment had for the first time in their life, their opportunity to be, the potential to accomplish not only something as that.... but also the freedom [or enough of it] and unrestrained 'Free Will' to accomplish it.

So what I'm saying is, [what I knew I should have said right from the beginning] ... Yes, the Sabian Symbol for the Sun in this natal chart should be thought of as added to the overall meaning of the I.C. as part of the "WHY"...added to as the reason "WHY" this nation had to have been born as such as it was, Cosmically Decreed by the four 'precepts' of the three hundred and sixty there are in the zodiac "WHO" it was "WHERE-TO" it was headed and "HOW" it had to accomplish this and "WHY" it had to be that way, as the 'Cosmos' wanted a nation to be born and out of that nation a new society of Humanity~WHICH~the 'Cosmos' also desired too... that it's people acquire more determined WILL and CHARACTER than was possible for that to have happened in "THE OLD WORLD."


ps...And not to be overlooked, as, imho, it shouldn't be. The esoteric and occult number of 'The Christ' is 888 [Not the Man from Nazareth who became one WITH "The Christ" whose number is 33 as His mother, Mary's, is 55] ...and twice 888 is 1776... as I also point out and do give a great deal more on as to any and or all of that, in the book I wrote and was published. But one of the subjects, aside but very much connected as to that is that, I had noticed that two of these numbers, those being 666 and 888, to also be that of astrological cycles in years.

There's a most interesting fact, that which being of that is, any two things of a nature either in the physical or the abstract with those two numbers in years will always conjunct again in the exact same degree of the Zodiac if they originally started as being in conjunction. This is a topic in my book, a thread I have at another internet astrology forum [I may have written one at this forum too, but it would have been a long time ago]...and I wrote of it, very recently in a thread on first House matters and the Thema Mundi in another sub-forum here at a.w.
It takes four cycles of 666 to equal 3 passages of 888, and with a little math it is easy to find that this occurs ever 2664 years. As the four Zodiacal points of the 1st degree of the Cardinal Signs are of a most sensitive subject in that post of mine, where-in, I did write on some of this. Having said that I can know point out that 888 divided by four will give the number 222...which is enough I believe to not have to say anything more on this matter at the moment
here and at this time.

[David_Mastrogiovanni]

...from a.w. forum 8/02/2012...


The "WHY of this chart, in a 'Spiritual Evolutionary' interpretation, is that of the I.C. or Nadir as it is also called and by this chart that is 11* Cancer 44' 18", that is the 12th degree of Cancer by degree symbol enumeration. I find this symbol to be particularly intriguing as to this charts' Part of Destiny I wrote of in an earlier post.

From the 12th degree of Cancer when then get to know

"WHY"
The Nation Of The
U.S. of A
By Cosmic Decree

"WHO" Is That

"GARDEN OF ALL FULFILLED DESIRES"

And One Of An

Abundance That Can Only Be Made Possible By Human Togetherness and Cooperation With An Avid Cosmic Optimism

Which "WHERE-TO"
It Became A Nation
That Is A Refuge,
A Land, A Place Of

"SOLICITUDE"

For The Welfare And Happiness Of Less-Evolved Beings Who Haven't Had The Opportunity To Spiritually Evolve,

And "HOW"
Through The

"Capitalization On Knowledge"

By Exploring Unfamiliar And New Realms, And Discovering Those Laws That Underlie The Complex Processes Of Nature.

For The Reason "WHY":

Which is according to Dane Rudhyar's book of the Sabian Symbols:

"A CHINESE WOMAN NURSING A BABY WHOSE AURA REVEALS HIM TO BE THE REINCARNATION OF A GREAT TEACHER.

KEYNOTE: The revelation of latent worth in an experience once it is seen in its deeper meaning.

...[in comparison to and contrasting the previous symbol, in its' sequential enumeration but prior to it in an Spiritually Evolutionary interpretation, of a harlequin in mimic or mime] we now have a symbol which demands that we look beyond common appearances and try to discover the “occult” [i.e. occluded or masked in its own way as is that harlequin] character of [this nation, its' people and all their experiences as one] This symbol [noted Rudhyar, shouldn't be taken enraptuously because,] there is no particular reference here to an avatar or messiah, except [for the meaning that potentially every and any man or woman, but in this instance this particular nation of the U.S. of A. may and could be in an inferred meaning to be an] avatar or manifestation [of an entity of a special and intended reason, A Manifest Destiny if I may be permitted to use the term here, on this Planet known as Terra]. To discover this occult potential of being, one requires a deeper or higher “vision,” a holistic perception [of their function within the whole of all that is inclusive in and of this world and the common 'Society of Humankind.']

[Rudhyar noted that the clairvoyant whom ascertained the Sabian Symbols might have indeed mis-identified what should have been described by Her as a Tibetan and somehow 'lucked out' by also referring to a process they are known for in looking among their own young for that 'Golden Child', the next] Dalai Lama, The Keyword is REVELATION."

And I do want to recall everyones' attention that this degree of the Zodiac is that which follows in the 'spiritually evolutionary' method of interpretation to that of the Sun of this chart and its' [and or whatever astro body or astro influence, such as the Moons Nodes and or, to a even slighter lesser degree an 'Astrological Part' and that their] message is also part of the "WHY" of this particular nations' existence, but I personally believe that the I.C. [or any of the Chart axes other three points in a similar situation] always has the emphasis upon it. Yet when it is preceding it in the, 'spiritually evolutionary' manner of, interpretation, as it is here, it also is something of a prerequisite...if that makes the same sense to anyone of you, that it does to me.{?}

..and if you would all be as so kind as to please recall what I did mention about that numerological, occult and esoteric, significance of the number 888 and it being a cycle of years and two of these cycles is 1776 years...Hmmmmm?
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[David_Mastrogiovanni]

...from a.w.forum 8/02/2012


And not to be "Politically Incorrect"...and because I am part Native American and my niece is almost a full 50% herself, I feel I shouldn't have to apologize for the fact that it may seem to be as so. There is some very strange irony, so oddly keen too in a almost disturbing way though about this symbol being particularly the one that calculates from this chart to be what it is as to this topic. But please, if you will allow to, try to follow Mr. Rudhyars explanation as to how He believed it should be regarded in the 'abstract sense' of the symbol... Thus with that all being said, I wish to also mention that from this chart the Part of Fortune...symbolically, that action, attitude, frame of mind or however a particular Sabian Symbol does apply to the overall chart but more specifically to the chart axis message and those particular Astrological Parts/Lots of which the one of "Destiny" is an example... is that by which One is to be most fortunate in accomplishing Ones' 'Dharma' and that calculates to:
25* Scorpio 40" 42"...that is the 26th degree of Scorpio

...and...[ibid.]

"AMERICAN INDIANS* MAKING CAMP AFTER MOVING INTO A NEW TERRITORY.

KEYNOTE: The ability to adjust swiftly to a new situation by tuning in to its requirements.

...[When One is living] in harmony with nature, moving on as [as any need becomes tantamount. One will be, or should be if One is indeed living in that 'Harmony',] intuitively at home everywhere. [One doesn't] make demands upon life, [as One has identified oneself] with the great rhythms of the biosphere [then One] functions at peace with what [One has produced]. This is the message of the American Indian* culture which European invaders so wantonly and meaninglessly destroyed nearly everywhere. Western man has lost faith in life because he wants to dominate and enslave manifestations.

This... brings to us a message we greatly need today [which We, 'Yanks', always needed to know, or should have known all along, and if We did, even if We had or have forgotten it, should...IMHO... D*** Well Better Remember, Or Learn, Right Quick that] .. as a nation, as a society — the message of peaceful adaptation to nature, and through adaptation, of EFFICIENT FUNCTIONING in all life situations."

* [my deepest apologies to those of you reading this and those in particular in India, those in the Americas' and elsewhere of Indian ancestry ...and those of you that I am also bound to by our common blood heritage, even though it be that I'm not entirely of that particular blood relationship, but I do have to use the term as given by the clairvoyant and subsequently used by Mr. Rudhyar, for this post, otherwise I feel its' peculiar strange irony that I am at a loss to describe but somehow intuitively believe that I know I must post it in this original form. Maybe someone will be able to see it, or feel it intuitively as I do, and also be able to explain why someday? {and I know what I want to say...but I'll be darned if I'm going to say it at this time considering all the flack I've taken already for proposing this chart to be that of the natal of the United States of America}. Thank you, ptv]
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