Applied Sidereal Astrology

[David_Monroe]

For Steve Spellman,
Steve, the example you presented was certainly dynamic. Ebertin's interpretations for direct mid-points in S/R and various Daily charts always seem so appropriate right out of the book. Just basic planetary meanings.

So, the tough questions are, "Do the progressed Quotidian Moon (Q1 rate) charts consistently portray the events or experiences of the subject? Or, are they a one out of five or six type of chart?" The manner in which I use PSSR charts (without the progressed Moon) seem to present a continuous portrait of life when life is lived large.

What types of charts do you most typically use when trying to get a grasp on a subject's life and near-term future as a basis for doing astrological consulting? I use three charts; natal, pc S/R, and PSSR-type charts only. I also do a lot of work with the natal and PSSR angles finding that when angles come to angles there is often a serious type of event-horizon waiting for the subject. Dave

[Buz_Overbeck]

Steve,

Many thanks for the clear and detailed instructions. I hope you will post some of your examples in this Forum.

Buz

[Steve Spellman]

David wrote:
So, the tough questions are, "Do the progressed Quotidian Moon (Q1 rate) charts consistently portray the events or experiences of the subject? Or, are they a one out of five or six type of chart?" The manner in which I use PSSR charts (without the progressed Moon) seem to present a continuous portrait of life when life is lived large.

Hi David, Excellent questions you pose. I don’t know if I have the answers to these questions. I will cite some of my learning experiences pertaining to Sidereal Astrology and maybe this will help you determine some answers but I always believe the answers are solely determined by one’s experiences in studying Sidereal Astrology—in what sidereal charts prove the technique.

The following are my learning experiences pertaining to the Q1 rate of the progressed Solar Moon. Many years ago I experienced a huge event in my life where the symbolism was only explained by the Q1 rate of the progressed Solar Moon/Solar angles involving a Paran. Any type of Paran is considered by Cyril Fagan as ‘the most powerful of all configurations’. When this event occurred in my life I did not know what a Paran was—nor did I know anything about Quotidian Charts involving the progressed Solar Moon. When this event occurred in my life I was using the old DOS Nova program and I tested every system (a-lot) of astrology in the Nova program and none offered the symbolism for this huge event in my life. To make sure I did not overlook any system I decided to read the entire manual. One day while reading the manual I came across a very short paragraph by Robert Hand explaining the Quotidian method by Cyril Fagan. It took me two hours to figure out how to calculate the proper key-strokes to compute the Quotidian Chart for the day of my event—but when I finally got the quotidian chart to compute—the symbolism was dead-on with a Paran with the progressed Solar Moon. The defaulted rate in Nova for the progressed Solar Moon was the Q1 rate. At this time I did know there were any other progressed rates for the Solar Moon and Quotidian angles. I was so overwhelmed by this Nova Quotidian Chart; I made a special mental note to pursue more research into Quotidian Charts. At the time, what was so damn frustrating was there was no way an astrologer could scan for Quotidian Hits with a Dos program. Quotidians are daily charts involving 365 days in a Solar year. Very little written material is available pertaining to progressed Solar Moon with Quotidian Charts. Fagan’s book ‘Primer of Sidereal Astrology’, Chapters X & X1 is excellent material. It is obvious to me Fagan looked upon the symbolism of the progressed Solar Moon with partile aspects with Solar planets as being very important. It is also obvious to me by a careful reading of Jim Eshelman’s book ‘Interpreting Solar Returns’ aspects involving the Solar Moon (including the progressions) are critical.

Years later, after my pursuit of Sidereal techniques I was able to learn from a siderealist who collaborated with Jim with his book. His name is Matthew Quelles and he is a very quite member of Jim’s forum Solunars. Soon after the advent of the internet, I was able to hook-up with Matthew via-e-mails and he taught me much about Quotidian charts. David, I had the same question as you—which Quotidian rate should we use for Quotidian Charts? Matthew told me by his research the Q1 rate tested out as the rate to use. So-naturally I stuck with the Q1 rate in my research; otherwise, I could not have produced my Solunar topic on ‘Dynamic Quotidians’ I have no experience with the other rates so I can not offer any answers pertaining to their symbolic effectiveness. Matthew is the one who taught me how to calculate and scan for Q1 Quotidian Hits with Solar Fire. Matthew is a brilliant sidereal astrologer pertaining to the ‘Technicals’ of sidereal astrology. If you or anyone want to ask him questions—let me know-- I am sure he will allow me to Private Message you with his e-mail. If it was not for Matthew, I would not have been able to advance my sidereal learning.

David asked:
What types of charts do you most typically use when trying to get a grasp on a subject's life and near-term future as a basis for doing astrological consulting?

1: Natal Chart with an AA or A rating. Transits to the Natal Chart paying close attention when either the transits or natal factors falls in the foreground (angles) of a Solar and Lunar Return. Hard harmonic 8 partile aspects.

2: Solar Returns rigorously using the guidelines from Elsheman’s book ‘Interpreting Solar Returns’. I pay very close attention to the Solar Moon aspects to Solar planets and Natal planets and their progressed extensions with the Q1 Quotidian Charts. I use hard harmonic 8 partile aspects.

3: Lunar Returns to mainly help me time when important symbolism in a Solar Return will manifest. I pay close attention to hard harmonic 8 partile aspects to the Moon with a Lunar Return chart.

4: Certain Mid-point structures are important.

5: Hidden Mundane aspects, which many times are not in zodiacal aspect, in the Natal/Solar charts are very important. ***Matthew sent me a file that can be implemented into Solar Fire that allows the astrologer to see these hidden mundane aspects. Cyril Fagan considered the mundoscope very important. Believe me –it is important.

6: I am always on the look-out for Paran structures in any chart. Fagan words has proven to me Parans are indeed the ‘most powerful configurations’ when present in a Chart.

David wrote:
I also do a lot of work with the natal and PSSR angles finding that when angles come to angles there is often a serious type of event-horizon waiting for the subject.

David, I find this interesting. When you have time would you elaborate more on this technique with some chart examples?

Regards, Steve

[Steve Spellman]

Buz wrote:
I hope you will post some of your examples in this Forum

I will do this Buz.

Regards, Steve

[David_Monroe]

For Steve Spellman
I use the SQ-1 method on those occasions when I don't use a PSSR type of chart. It might be easier to demonstrate my methods when using SQ charts with an example. Perhaps you would like to use the significant event in your life (mentioned in an earlier post) so that you could compare my approach to what you have found. My SQ methods have not been used or discussed to my knowledge by others who use Sidereal methods --- but there is so little published in print, and even online, that it is possible that I have merely discovered that which has already been found. I could also use my version of PSSR charts, which I primarily rely on, to run a parallel commentary to the SQ method.

I can do this here on ACT or I can do it privately. My e-mail address is dadsnook@charter.net

I am currently on vacation in Maine for the summer but I do have a computer and software here. It is just that access is sometimes compromised by three grandchildren and a wife who all try to stay online constantly despite the nearby beach and swimming pool. In any case, vacation ends in three weeks. Dave

[Steve Spellman]

Hi Dave, I use the SQ rate which progresses the Solar Return MC approximately 1 degree per day. The PSSR rate advances the MC approximately 1.25 degree per day. Are we on the same page with these two rates of progressing the Solar Return Chart? In my experience I personally favor the SQ rate over the PSSR rate for potential major events; however, Fagan indicated both rates were equally important. I know what you mean about the kids favoring the computer over the beach. By all means post your thoughts with example charts on ACT.

Regards, Steve

[Therese_Hamilton]

Hi Dave and Steve,

I just had to inject a brief comment here about kids and computers. My 12-year old granddaughter lives in an RV on my property with her mom. All day long she's sitting in front of the computer in the RV "cave" with blinds drawn and door closed. It breaks my heart to see the gorgeous days go by when this area of mountains, streams and lakes is one of the most beautiful in the country and a mecca for city dwellers who want a break from the madness of the daily grind. A psychic friend of mine says the internet is under the control of a "troll." Ha!! Maybe she's right. This total additiction is frightening.

Sorry about this non-astrological commentary.

Therese

[Steve Spellman]

Very well put Theresa. In one sense it is sad to see the kids removed from the healing power of the outdoors with the ‘troll’ of the computer—but in another sense, the computer is the greatest magical tool ever invented for us astrologers—it is allowing the non-mathematician (like me) to see vast amounts of the ‘sacred science’ pertaining to astrology/astronomy. I have great faith the computer is going to allow future generations of astrologers to see much deeper into this ‘sacred’ world of astronomy/astrology/math ‘of the highest order’.

Regards, Steve

[Therese_Hamilton]

I agree, Steve, that the computer is a wonderful boon for astrologers. It's difficult for me to believe that I once computed charts by hand. No more! But there may be a difference between the computer used as a tool as we astrologers use it, and the total addiction of internet games. Apparently these kids go on-line and interact with others in competition. It's kind of like that old black/white Twilight program where the guy is addicted to slot machines to his eventual destruction. These kids become zombie eyed beings after several hours with those games.

Anyhow, long lilve astrological software and the ability to converse with others around the globe in the twinkling of an eye! I'm sure this prevents brain atrophy for many of us.

Therese