Research Studies: Tropical vs. Sidereal & Related

[Therese_Hamilton]

Here is an article describing how one woman has worked with different ayanamsas: "The Vexed Question of Ayanamsha" http://www.barbarapijan.com/bpa/Topics/ ... namsha.htm

The author concludes her statements:

I look forward to the day when Jyotishis worldwide can contribute peer-reviewed research to scholarly journals and present their results at (electronic?) conferences, so that a wider basis of understanding can be established in the international Jyotisha practice community.

Barbara Pijan Lama

[Rumen_Kolev]

Abdullah,

who is likely to be the next USA president?
Do we have the charts of all pretenders?
How many are they?
Are the hours of birth reliable?
If so, we can take an educated (astrological) guess...

[Therese_Hamilton]

It is too early for predictions on the American election. We do not even have definite candidates yet except for President Obama.

[Rumen_Kolev]

I thought there are 7 or 10 republicans candidates.
Is there chance more reps will appear?
Maybe we can look at those so far gathered.
Where is all their birth-data and charts gathered in one place?

[Abd-Allah Meyers]

Greetings,

Thank you, Ms Hamilton, for the link that will hopefully be followed by others. I read it but frankly am not impressed, much quasi-religious devotion to astrological gurus and their precession factors, little research.

(Dr Kolev: Your answer here concerns quite another subject than this thread, namely the work of a tropical astrologer 'Dr H' at Regulus Astrology, former student of Mr Robert Zoller.)

Best regards and wishes for a Happy New Year, beginning on 22nd December at 5h31 UT.

Abd-Allah Meyers

[Rumen_Kolev]

Abdullah!, dear,

I remember that you wanted real-World prognosis from the astrologers.
Here is an excellent case: the next US president.

But on the occasion of fixed or tropical ecliptic.

I believe that the tropical ecliptic of Ptolemy also 'works'.
But it works differently.
This is a 3-D object we are trying to 'catch' with 2-dimensional 'slices'.
We see only what is on the level of the 'slice'.

[Rumen_Kolev]

Hey, everyone:

Probably the best thing on the Zodiac, produced by an academic scholar is the article by van der Waerden,
HISTORY OF THE ZODIAC,
Archiv fuer OrientForschung, vol. 16, 1952-1953. Pages: 216-230.
A really great article.
Waerden was one of the few, in this field, sinceri.
He went that far as, later in his life, to accept the 2100 BC dating of Mul.APIN by Papke. (which is questionable as evidence, but very 'brave', contra-the-political-correctness in this period which shows how independent thinker Waerden was)

[Therese_Hamilton]

Note 43 on page 133 of Francesca Rochberg's Heavenly Writing:

"See the attempt by van der Waerden, "Zur babylonischen Planetenrechnung." Eudemus I (1941), pp. 46-47, in which it is suggested that nu Piscium served as zero Aries, then chi Tauri for 30 degrees Taurus, and finally alpha Virginis [Spica] for 30 degrees Virgo. See Sach's refutation in "A Late Babylonian Star Catalogue," JCS 6 (1952), pp. 149-50."
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So 40 years after Kugler's initial research, even van der Waerden was still questioning the boundaries of the Babylonian zodiac. (As I don't have access to the original writings, I cannot have a strong opinion or "educated guess" on the Babylonian zodiac. I can only read what scholars have written and study today's birth charts to support a specific zodiac in modern times. So far the Krishnamurti zodiac is giving the best results.)

Perhaps van der Waerden later changed his views on the zodiac? I don't know as I don't have the collection of writings by scholars.

[Rumen_Kolev]

Sensational discovery has just been published!!

The 'egyptian terms' turn out in a cuneiform tablet from 500 BC!
Look here:
http://dlib.nyu.edu/awdl/isaw/isaw-papers/1/

Look also at the discussion in SkyScript at:
http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic ... 7aed#67706

Finally something happening in the until now super stagnant and tightly controlled academic field of Mesopotamian Astrology.
This is a break-through!
Gorgeous!
The Spirit is out of the bottle. The end of the 100-year night over Mesopotamia is near.
Many more shocking discoveries like that one are coming our way!
The ancient knowledge will flow will flow again!
The Sun is rising!

[Abd-Allah Meyers]

Greetings,

Experience leads one to take such discoveries with a grain of salt. Were ancient Babylonians immune to "errare humanum est"?

The article points out some differences between the versions on the tablets and the standard "Egyptian" bounds. Rather than extatic rejoicing, careful statistical testing of the bounds on the tablets might be appropriate. Perhaps the later version currently in use is more accurate.

Regardless of the system of bounds used by the astrologer, for any planet the bound where it is located is more likely than not to change if one uses a different zodiac. Such changes also occur frequently when one uses a different precession factor with a fixed zodiac.

At Regulus Astrology one can find research results testing the "Egyptian" versus the Ptolemaic bounds. Both are skewed in favour of the benefics, especially Venus. The "Chaldean" bounds have not yet been tested and exhibit much less skewness.

Happy New Year! (tomorrow, 22 December in the northern hemisphere)

Abd-Allah Meyers