The Part of Imprisonment [ Asc. + Part of Fortune - Neptune]
I have determined represents 'that' which we are 'kept from' by circumstances...it is a divine decree, as are all the Sabian symbols.
For my Yeshua/Jesus birth chart it is 24* Capricaorn 35'...i.e. the 25th degree of Capricorn.
[From Rudhyars' book] "(CAPRICORN 25°): A STORE FILLED WITH PRECIOUS ORIENTAL RUGS.
KEYNOTE: The use of cultural and artistic processes as means to enhance personal comfort and appreciation.
Corning after the preceding symbol this one brings us back to the material, yet esthetic, aspect of the benefits a society can bring its members. A "rug" always implied to some extent something on which a person stands or sits. It is a foundation for cultural "under-standing," and as such it can have a magical or sacred meaning, as in the case of prayer rugs. The "woman in a convent" probably knows only the bare floor, because her goal is one of transcendence, of surrendering comfort as well as cultural patterns. But to the social elite, or even to the oriental devotee praying to his god, society offers the relative comfort of beautiful rugs so he may meet the universe, not merely in terms of the support the natural soil gives, but protected by and securely established on the mental-spiritual as well as manual achievements of those who keep the cultural symbols alive.
This is the last symbol in the fifty-ninth five-fold sequence. It shows the beautiful products of dedicated and inspired group performance at the level of tradition. It emphasizes the value of RELIANCE ON TRADITION."
As we all pretty much agree that this was not the case of Yeshuas' life, mission and relying on Judaic cultural tradition as to the state it was at that time...one can see why this condition was 'kept from' Him...in fact, from all that I've read...it was downright denied to Him...
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Re: Birth Chart of Jesus?
by David_Mastrogiovanni on Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:15 am
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Re: Birth Chart of Jesus?
by David_Mastrogiovanni on Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:55 am
Whoa...this is a heavy development.
I had been intending to take the time to find the new moon before Yeshuas birth to calculate the Part of Hyleg. As it was given by Bonatti the formula is thus: Asc + New or Full Moon Prior to Birth - Moon .
According to Robert Zoller's book, "The Arabic Parts In Astrology": "The ancients did not care to say much regarding this part because it is so involved with other things. But none of them are able to exist without it. But this Part is able to exist without them. It is to these things as matter is to form....This Part is the root of the others [Parts]...and this Part is called the radix vitae [root of life] because it comprehends entirely the whole being of the native..."
My Part of Hyleg is 06* Capricorn 07'...where Pluto just conjuncted it ...
...this particular degree of the Zodiac has come up a lot lately...as I noted in another thread here at the forum. As I noted in this thread it was the Asc. for my progressed natal chart this Dec. 6. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14158&page=2
the Sabian Symbol: (CAPRICORN 7°): "A VEILED PROPHET SPEAKS, SEIZED BY THE POWER OF A GOD."
It is similar to my Part of Destiny [M.C. + Sun - Moon] at 16* Scorpio 32' [from Rudhyar's book on the Sabian Symbols] (SCORPIO 17°): "A WOMAN, FECUNDATED BY HER OWN SPIRIT, IS 'GREAT WITH CHILD.'
KEYNOTE: A total reliance upon the dictates of the God-within." [This also happens to be my brothers Part of Eros]
So, I was meditating this past afternoon and I visualized that the only symbol in the Zodiac that would make sense as to being the Part of Hyleg for Jesus/Yeshua would have to be the 30th degree of Pisces. As he was born with Libra 01* as His Asc. and his natal moon was the 30th of Virgo...i.e. the Conquest of illusion...and as I originally believed it to be the proper last degree for an 'Evolutionary' cycle of the Zodiac..liberating one from the Maya ...the immersion into materiality that the 30th degree of Pisces represents...which is not the way out of matter [Evolutionary] but rather into it [Involutionary]
Yet, I realized that as the 30th of Pisces represents the achieving of the visualization of becomeing an 'Archetype' that the 30th degree of pisces should be the Part of Hyleg for Jesus/Yeshua...guess what?
I was right...!
The Part of Hyleg for Jesus/Yeshua comes out to 29* Pisces 36'
[From Rudhyar's book on the Sabian Symbols] (PISCES 30°): "A MAJESTIC ROCK FORMATION RESEMBLING A FACE IS IDEALIZED BY A BOY WHO TAKES IT AS HIS IDEAL OF GREATNESS, AND AS HE GROWS UP, BEGINS TO LOOK LIKE IT.
KEYNOTE: The power of clearly visualized ideals to mold the life of the visualizer.
..At the highest spiritual-cosmic level this is the power used by the God-like Beings at the close of a cosmic cycle in projecting the basic Formula (the Word) which will start a new universe......
....It brings to us a realization of the power of archetypes as factors conditioning life processes....Keyword: ARCHETYPALIZATION."
[full text for this symbol can be read here] http://mindfire.ca/The%20Sabian%20Symbols/An%20Astrological%20Mandala%20-%20Pisces%2016-30.htm
Here's the event chart for the new moon prior to the natal chart i have for Jesus/Yeshua [oh, btw...it was on March 19th...which was the date Edgar Cayce gave for the birth by the Julian Calendar...cool huh?]
I had been intending to take the time to find the new moon before Yeshuas birth to calculate the Part of Hyleg. As it was given by Bonatti the formula is thus: Asc + New or Full Moon Prior to Birth - Moon .
According to Robert Zoller's book, "The Arabic Parts In Astrology": "The ancients did not care to say much regarding this part because it is so involved with other things. But none of them are able to exist without it. But this Part is able to exist without them. It is to these things as matter is to form....This Part is the root of the others [Parts]...and this Part is called the radix vitae [root of life] because it comprehends entirely the whole being of the native..."
My Part of Hyleg is 06* Capricorn 07'...where Pluto just conjuncted it ...
...this particular degree of the Zodiac has come up a lot lately...as I noted in another thread here at the forum. As I noted in this thread it was the Asc. for my progressed natal chart this Dec. 6. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14158&page=2
the Sabian Symbol: (CAPRICORN 7°): "A VEILED PROPHET SPEAKS, SEIZED BY THE POWER OF A GOD."
It is similar to my Part of Destiny [M.C. + Sun - Moon] at 16* Scorpio 32' [from Rudhyar's book on the Sabian Symbols] (SCORPIO 17°): "A WOMAN, FECUNDATED BY HER OWN SPIRIT, IS 'GREAT WITH CHILD.'
KEYNOTE: A total reliance upon the dictates of the God-within." [This also happens to be my brothers Part of Eros]
So, I was meditating this past afternoon and I visualized that the only symbol in the Zodiac that would make sense as to being the Part of Hyleg for Jesus/Yeshua would have to be the 30th degree of Pisces. As he was born with Libra 01* as His Asc. and his natal moon was the 30th of Virgo...i.e. the Conquest of illusion...and as I originally believed it to be the proper last degree for an 'Evolutionary' cycle of the Zodiac..liberating one from the Maya ...the immersion into materiality that the 30th degree of Pisces represents...which is not the way out of matter [Evolutionary] but rather into it [Involutionary]
Yet, I realized that as the 30th of Pisces represents the achieving of the visualization of becomeing an 'Archetype' that the 30th degree of pisces should be the Part of Hyleg for Jesus/Yeshua...guess what?
I was right...!
The Part of Hyleg for Jesus/Yeshua comes out to 29* Pisces 36'
[From Rudhyar's book on the Sabian Symbols] (PISCES 30°): "A MAJESTIC ROCK FORMATION RESEMBLING A FACE IS IDEALIZED BY A BOY WHO TAKES IT AS HIS IDEAL OF GREATNESS, AND AS HE GROWS UP, BEGINS TO LOOK LIKE IT.
KEYNOTE: The power of clearly visualized ideals to mold the life of the visualizer.
..At the highest spiritual-cosmic level this is the power used by the God-like Beings at the close of a cosmic cycle in projecting the basic Formula (the Word) which will start a new universe......
....It brings to us a realization of the power of archetypes as factors conditioning life processes....Keyword: ARCHETYPALIZATION."
[full text for this symbol can be read here] http://mindfire.ca/The%20Sabian%20Symbols/An%20Astrological%20Mandala%20-%20Pisces%2016-30.htm
Here's the event chart for the new moon prior to the natal chart i have for Jesus/Yeshua [oh, btw...it was on March 19th...which was the date Edgar Cayce gave for the birth by the Julian Calendar...cool huh?]
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Re: Birth Chart of Jesus?
by David_Mastrogiovanni on Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:10 pm
Today I had an epiphany that Rudhyar's chapter in his Sabian bokk, The Cross and the Star", in which he explains the concept of the polarities of the degrees of the Zodiac [how one becomes the other by attracting and helping the other...just as it is in nature...] and the mention of the 4 Cardinal sings and their 1st degrees being the expected cross of the Axis of the birth chart of Yeshua/Jesus. which, I believe I'v proven.
But Rudhyar doesn't really mention the 'Star' in that chapter.
So what Star? A Pentagram?
No, The STAR is ON the CROSS...get it?
Th Star of Bethlehem was on one of the four points of the cross...pick one.
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But Rudhyar doesn't really mention the 'Star' in that chapter.
So what Star? A Pentagram?
No, The STAR is ON the CROSS...get it?
Th Star of Bethlehem was on one of the four points of the cross...pick one.
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Re: Birth Chart of Jesus?
by David_Mastrogiovanni on Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:13 am
[copied and pasted from another forum ...it is a new discovery of more supportive information]
This is some major dish.
With my mothers passing a year ago I inherited most of Her books. Many of them are from the ARE Press, the Edgar Cayce foundation.
The bulk of these are the soft cover pamphlets one of which I have been reading at random from these last 48 hours. It's titled 'Astrology and the Edgar Cayce Readings" by Margaret H. Gammon, A.R.E. Press, Virginia Beach, Virginia, 1967.
Pluto was only discovered in 1930 just about 14 - 15 years before Edgar passed on. He did talk of it. Prior to it's discovery he referred to another planet yet to be know that He called Septimus. As the word Septimus means 'The Seventh' and as Pluto is the seventh planet out from the Earth. In reading # 826-8 Cayce made a categroical statement that Pluto nad the legendary/mythological planet 'Vulcan' were one and the same.
Margaret gives the differt opinions as to the actual attributes and influences of Pluto according to different 'authorities'stating that she found that it rules 'Change'...a change that marks the end of an old condition and the beginning of a new. Stating: "The changes brought about by Pluto, however, are not the sudden dynamic changes such as are brought about by Uranus. In fact they are often unappreciable for a long period, but they are definite ones."
She also gives that Saturn rules changes and Uranus extremes, impulses from both of which are testing periods for the soul-entity.
She writes further on Pluto in evaluating it's impact upon the individual:
"...to be considered good or bad according to the way in which you view schooling or hard lessons. In this sense, if Pluto means a shifting out of routines, and mass movements that negate the individual, Pluto would certainly be a 'malefic' by orthodox astrological standards. And it is so considered.
We prefer the word 'regeneration' with reference to Pluto, since it is a higher octave planet as are Uranus and Neptune. here, regeneration means a higher consciousness and closer to the ideal, the Christ Consciousness. There is some evidence for this in the Edgar Cayce readings."
The most significant statement encountered in the readings [according to Margaret H. Gammon] comes with this description of Plutos' influence in reading #1100-27:
Q. Just what are the effects of Pluto, in conjunction with ones' ascendant?
A. this, as we find, is entirely amiss [different] from what we might call a physical expression; but, as we find indicated, these [influences] are a development that is occurring in the universe, or environs about the Earth-Pluto Not, as some have indicated, that it is gradually being dissipated. It is gradually growing, and thus is one of those influences that are to be a demonstrative activity in the future affairs or developments of man, towards the spiritual minded-influence, or those influences outside of himself.
These [individuals] in the present, as might be said, are merely the [ones] becoming aware of same.[b] Rather, within the next hundred to two hundred years there may be a great deal of influence [of Pluto] upon the ascendancy of man; for it's closest of those to the activities of the Earth, to be sure, and is a developing influence, not one already established."
Evidence for this to be so and that Septimus and Pluto represent the consumer, or the CEO...and that Septimus is Pluto and therefore spiritual consciousness, may be pondered in reading 900-10 in which the development of the soul that was Yeshua/Jesus as the perfect pattern is discussed.
"In the development, then, that man may be one with the Father, [it is] necessary that he soul pass-- with its' companion, the will--through all the various stages of development., Until the will is lost in Him, and He becomes one with the Father.
The illustration of this we find in the man called Jesus/Yeshua. This man, as man, makes the will of the Father; then becoming one with the Father, and the model of man.
When the soul reached that development in which it reached Earths' plane, it became the model in the flesh, as it had reached through developments in those spheres, or planets, known in the Earths plane, obtaining then the One In All
As in Mercury pertaining of Mind
In Mars of Madness
In Earth as of Flesh
In Venus as Love
In Jupiter as Strength
In Saturn as the beginning of earthly woes, that to which all insufficient matter s cast for the beginning
In that of Uranus as of the Psychic
In that of Neptune as of the Mystic
In Septimus [Pluto] as of Consciousness*
In Arcturus as of the developing
[reading #900-10]
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IN PLUTO AS OF CONSCIOUSNESS..!!! AS CAYCE SAID, ALL THE SPHERES LESSONS AND INFLUENCES, THAT CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THE DEVELOPMENT, MUST BE EXPERIENCED AND ASSIMILATED INTO ONES BEING. THUS THE RESULT IS THAT ONES SOUL HAS REACHED THE STATE OF "ONE IN ALL", UNITY WITH GOD, THIS CAN ONLY MEAN, AS IMPLICITLY; PLUTO CONJ. THE ASC. AS THE ASC. IS THE CONSCIOUSNESS...WITH PLUTO CONJ., IT IS THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF TRANSFORMATION...!!!
Well, so it is that Edgar Cayce not only gave the date of birth but also the Asc. ...that is Pluto conj. Asc.
What more could anyone ask for?
There are some great sections of this pamphlet that I'm going to be putting in a thread in the near future.
The author actually found the birth dates of many individuals that were told which the dominate planet was in their natal chart, of any fixed star influences, This is fantastic, as i didn't know that such info was available. We can now get an understanding of what Edgar knew as to ruling Planets, proper attributes, influences etc. As I don't believe any of these charts gave a birth time, they will be all or for the most part Solar charts but I see this as a big leg up the ladder of Astrological knowledge.
But, then again, over the many years of reading about Edgar Cayce [three biographies] and the hundreds of readings I've read, I have grown to trust the Cayce material from any reading implicitly.
This is some major dish.
With my mothers passing a year ago I inherited most of Her books. Many of them are from the ARE Press, the Edgar Cayce foundation.
The bulk of these are the soft cover pamphlets one of which I have been reading at random from these last 48 hours. It's titled 'Astrology and the Edgar Cayce Readings" by Margaret H. Gammon, A.R.E. Press, Virginia Beach, Virginia, 1967.
Pluto was only discovered in 1930 just about 14 - 15 years before Edgar passed on. He did talk of it. Prior to it's discovery he referred to another planet yet to be know that He called Septimus. As the word Septimus means 'The Seventh' and as Pluto is the seventh planet out from the Earth. In reading # 826-8 Cayce made a categroical statement that Pluto nad the legendary/mythological planet 'Vulcan' were one and the same.
Margaret gives the differt opinions as to the actual attributes and influences of Pluto according to different 'authorities'stating that she found that it rules 'Change'...a change that marks the end of an old condition and the beginning of a new. Stating: "The changes brought about by Pluto, however, are not the sudden dynamic changes such as are brought about by Uranus. In fact they are often unappreciable for a long period, but they are definite ones."
She also gives that Saturn rules changes and Uranus extremes, impulses from both of which are testing periods for the soul-entity.
She writes further on Pluto in evaluating it's impact upon the individual:
"...to be considered good or bad according to the way in which you view schooling or hard lessons. In this sense, if Pluto means a shifting out of routines, and mass movements that negate the individual, Pluto would certainly be a 'malefic' by orthodox astrological standards. And it is so considered.
We prefer the word 'regeneration' with reference to Pluto, since it is a higher octave planet as are Uranus and Neptune. here, regeneration means a higher consciousness and closer to the ideal, the Christ Consciousness. There is some evidence for this in the Edgar Cayce readings."
The most significant statement encountered in the readings [according to Margaret H. Gammon] comes with this description of Plutos' influence in reading #1100-27:
Q. Just what are the effects of Pluto, in conjunction with ones' ascendant?
A. this, as we find, is entirely amiss [different] from what we might call a physical expression; but, as we find indicated, these [influences] are a development that is occurring in the universe, or environs about the Earth-Pluto Not, as some have indicated, that it is gradually being dissipated. It is gradually growing, and thus is one of those influences that are to be a demonstrative activity in the future affairs or developments of man, towards the spiritual minded-influence, or those influences outside of himself.
These [individuals] in the present, as might be said, are merely the [ones] becoming aware of same.[b] Rather, within the next hundred to two hundred years there may be a great deal of influence [of Pluto] upon the ascendancy of man; for it's closest of those to the activities of the Earth, to be sure, and is a developing influence, not one already established."
Evidence for this to be so and that Septimus and Pluto represent the consumer, or the CEO...and that Septimus is Pluto and therefore spiritual consciousness, may be pondered in reading 900-10 in which the development of the soul that was Yeshua/Jesus as the perfect pattern is discussed.
"In the development, then, that man may be one with the Father, [it is] necessary that he soul pass-- with its' companion, the will--through all the various stages of development., Until the will is lost in Him, and He becomes one with the Father.
The illustration of this we find in the man called Jesus/Yeshua. This man, as man, makes the will of the Father; then becoming one with the Father, and the model of man.
When the soul reached that development in which it reached Earths' plane, it became the model in the flesh, as it had reached through developments in those spheres, or planets, known in the Earths plane, obtaining then the One In All
As in Mercury pertaining of Mind
In Mars of Madness
In Earth as of Flesh
In Venus as Love
In Jupiter as Strength
In Saturn as the beginning of earthly woes, that to which all insufficient matter s cast for the beginning
In that of Uranus as of the Psychic
In that of Neptune as of the Mystic
In Septimus [Pluto] as of Consciousness*
In Arcturus as of the developing
[reading #900-10]
*
IN PLUTO AS OF CONSCIOUSNESS..!!! AS CAYCE SAID, ALL THE SPHERES LESSONS AND INFLUENCES, THAT CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THE DEVELOPMENT, MUST BE EXPERIENCED AND ASSIMILATED INTO ONES BEING. THUS THE RESULT IS THAT ONES SOUL HAS REACHED THE STATE OF "ONE IN ALL", UNITY WITH GOD, THIS CAN ONLY MEAN, AS IMPLICITLY; PLUTO CONJ. THE ASC. AS THE ASC. IS THE CONSCIOUSNESS...WITH PLUTO CONJ., IT IS THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF TRANSFORMATION...!!!
Well, so it is that Edgar Cayce not only gave the date of birth but also the Asc. ...that is Pluto conj. Asc.
What more could anyone ask for?
There are some great sections of this pamphlet that I'm going to be putting in a thread in the near future.
The author actually found the birth dates of many individuals that were told which the dominate planet was in their natal chart, of any fixed star influences, This is fantastic, as i didn't know that such info was available. We can now get an understanding of what Edgar knew as to ruling Planets, proper attributes, influences etc. As I don't believe any of these charts gave a birth time, they will be all or for the most part Solar charts but I see this as a big leg up the ladder of Astrological knowledge.
But, then again, over the many years of reading about Edgar Cayce [three biographies] and the hundreds of readings I've read, I have grown to trust the Cayce material from any reading implicitly.
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Re: Birth Chart of Jesus?
by David_Mastrogiovanni on Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:39 am
I've copied and pasted this from a post at the astrlogyweekly.com forum where I just put it 'up'. I made this discovery at 9:02 PM about an hour and a half ago.
[This came about this eve as I was writing on another thread started by member sdh3 on Sabians and the movies and about Quintile matrices of different shapes. I e-mailed my brother about the discovery right off and as it is already written and I'm a bit wore out from this days activities I'm just copying and pasting the e-mail here [actually it was two e-mails as there was a subsequent second discovery...thanks ptv]
The other day, I noticed what Ursula Lewis had written about the 'Tredecile' 108*, but as the arrangement I was tinkering with is a kite with two opposite degrees connected by Bi-Quintiles and Semi-Quintiles I had no immediate use for it but thought she had mentioned it being a 'Major' aspect. Today, upon looking up the Tredecile, again, I found I was in error. Rather, it was Se-squares and Semi Squares that Ursula had labeled as such...but I did remember it was something other Astrologers haven't even mentioned as being other than 'Minor' aspects.
But this got me thinking...
A question arose in my skull that possibly another arrangement would have even more potential...and that would be one of two opposite degrees connected by 'Tredeciles and Quintiles. Now this matrix does have full Quints involved.
I won't burden myself with writing the differences as to effects as according to Ursula...you can figure the details out for yourself...but I believe the matrix might be more of a 'Mystic Rectangle' than that of the Sextile -Trine arrangements.
Now, Here's the really neat part..why I'm sending you this e-mail right off.
I looked at my Yeshua chart on the wall here next to the desk and gave it a cursory look over for any of these Quintile-Tredecile kites and lo & behold..what I found is that Mars and Uranus were in one of the Bi-Quintile~Semi-Quintile Kites to the Nodes...North Node the focal...That's a really BIG WOW...
Mars and Uranus to the Nodes....Mars 9th house Gemini...Uranus 7th house Aries ...South Node 8th house Taurus...North Node 2nd house Scorpio.
This needs some serious analyzing and with particular attention to the Sabian Symbols.
I forgot to mention...the South Node is conj the Part of Treachery [and I never caught on to that before...never connected in my mind] Part of Treachery is Asc + Neptune -Sun and Yeshua's comes out 13* Taurus 16*.
The Keywords for the 14th of Taurus by Rudhyar is 'Live and Let Live"...which wasn't so 'unlucky' for Judas...and Uranus and Mars were helping link these opposites in harmony
The 14th of Scorpio... [Rudhyar] "TELEPHONE LINEMEN AT WORK INSTALLING NEW CONNECTIONS.
KEYNOTE: The need to establish new channels of communication."
[Edgar Cayce's Part of Fortune btw]
I'm including the birth chart in case you haven't got one handy.
Oh, btw...someone reminded me on the last Friday 13th that Yeshua was crucified on a Friday the 13th....interesting in that I have the Easter Sunday in 35 AD on Sunday the 15th...Ah Ha...I'd heard about the crucifixion thing years and years ago and I'd forgotten it...the only association I had with Yeshua and the number, 13, was Judas as some called him the 13th disciple.
WOW...another one...A Uranus~Jupiter~Moon/Asc/Pluto~ Mars rectangle...WTF! ....Whoa!...Check this out! Man...it's been staring me in the face for...How Long?
It's a rectangle consisting of a Uranus~ Jupiter Trine, Jupiter~Moon/Asc/Pluto Quintile, Moon/Asc/Pluto~Mars Tredecile, Mars~Uranus Quintile....WOW....
[I know it's not the most symmetrical of polygons esp a Trine and a Quintile making up a hemisphere...but it is all in orb of aspect...although the Moon ~ Uranus opposition is around 8 1/2 degrees.
[This came about this eve as I was writing on another thread started by member sdh3 on Sabians and the movies and about Quintile matrices of different shapes. I e-mailed my brother about the discovery right off and as it is already written and I'm a bit wore out from this days activities I'm just copying and pasting the e-mail here [actually it was two e-mails as there was a subsequent second discovery...thanks ptv]
The other day, I noticed what Ursula Lewis had written about the 'Tredecile' 108*, but as the arrangement I was tinkering with is a kite with two opposite degrees connected by Bi-Quintiles and Semi-Quintiles I had no immediate use for it but thought she had mentioned it being a 'Major' aspect. Today, upon looking up the Tredecile, again, I found I was in error. Rather, it was Se-squares and Semi Squares that Ursula had labeled as such...but I did remember it was something other Astrologers haven't even mentioned as being other than 'Minor' aspects.
But this got me thinking...
A question arose in my skull that possibly another arrangement would have even more potential...and that would be one of two opposite degrees connected by 'Tredeciles and Quintiles. Now this matrix does have full Quints involved.
I won't burden myself with writing the differences as to effects as according to Ursula...you can figure the details out for yourself...but I believe the matrix might be more of a 'Mystic Rectangle' than that of the Sextile -Trine arrangements.
Now, Here's the really neat part..why I'm sending you this e-mail right off.
I looked at my Yeshua chart on the wall here next to the desk and gave it a cursory look over for any of these Quintile-Tredecile kites and lo & behold..what I found is that Mars and Uranus were in one of the Bi-Quintile~Semi-Quintile Kites to the Nodes...North Node the focal...That's a really BIG WOW...
Mars and Uranus to the Nodes....Mars 9th house Gemini...Uranus 7th house Aries ...South Node 8th house Taurus...North Node 2nd house Scorpio.
This needs some serious analyzing and with particular attention to the Sabian Symbols.
I forgot to mention...the South Node is conj the Part of Treachery [and I never caught on to that before...never connected in my mind] Part of Treachery is Asc + Neptune -Sun and Yeshua's comes out 13* Taurus 16*.
The Keywords for the 14th of Taurus by Rudhyar is 'Live and Let Live"...which wasn't so 'unlucky' for Judas...and Uranus and Mars were helping link these opposites in harmony
The 14th of Scorpio... [Rudhyar] "TELEPHONE LINEMEN AT WORK INSTALLING NEW CONNECTIONS.
KEYNOTE: The need to establish new channels of communication."
[Edgar Cayce's Part of Fortune btw]
I'm including the birth chart in case you haven't got one handy.
Oh, btw...someone reminded me on the last Friday 13th that Yeshua was crucified on a Friday the 13th....interesting in that I have the Easter Sunday in 35 AD on Sunday the 15th...Ah Ha...I'd heard about the crucifixion thing years and years ago and I'd forgotten it...the only association I had with Yeshua and the number, 13, was Judas as some called him the 13th disciple.
WOW...another one...A Uranus~Jupiter~Moon/Asc/Pluto~ Mars rectangle...WTF! ....Whoa!...Check this out! Man...it's been staring me in the face for...How Long?
It's a rectangle consisting of a Uranus~ Jupiter Trine, Jupiter~Moon/Asc/Pluto Quintile, Moon/Asc/Pluto~Mars Tredecile, Mars~Uranus Quintile....WOW....
[I know it's not the most symmetrical of polygons esp a Trine and a Quintile making up a hemisphere...but it is all in orb of aspect...although the Moon ~ Uranus opposition is around 8 1/2 degrees.
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Re: Birth Chart of Jesus?
by David_Mastrogiovanni on Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:07 am
NOTE: THIS IS TO CORRECT THE POST OF 7/15/2011 WHICH STATED THE WRONG DEGREE AND SYMBOL....
This is copied and pasted here from a post at astrologyweekly.com. Thank you D.M.
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The Part of Innocence. [Asc. + Mercury - Mars...it is the formula opposite that of the Part of Intelligence, that is Asc. + Mars - Mercury] It is that Part ...that Cosmic Precept of the 360 that one is most naive about...and Jesus/Yeshua was human and had his frailties too...just like the rest of us...[although to what amount of naivete...does remain elusive at this time... ]
it calculates to 12* Leo 53' ...i.e. the 13th degree of Leo
[from Rudhyar's book "An Astrological Mandalla"]
"AN OLD SEA CAPTAIN ROCKING HIMSELF ON THE PORCH OF HIS COTTAGE.
KEYNOTE: The quieted mind's recollections of crises and joys long past.
...maintaining the integrity of his individual selfhood while in close contact with the collective Unconscious. Now retired, he may try to distill wisdom from his many experiences and from his victories over elemental forces. The "swing" of the child-consciousness [the prior degree and symbol...D.M.] has now become a "rocking chair" from which one can contemplate past as well as present scenes, gently moving as waves roll over the shore. Peace at last...
... Keyword: QUIET RECOLLECTION."
...well, now that makes a great deal more sense than what I had mistakenly posted...sounds to me that He had no chance or opportunity to take such a position...especially as to His overall existence through many incarnations...I believe He was fully informed and aware of every one of them and knew that this incarnation was the final act on this plane..no time for quiet and contemplative recollections...the Man had to be BUSY from the get go...IMHO...of course!
This is copied and pasted here from a post at astrologyweekly.com. Thank you D.M.
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The Part of Innocence. [Asc. + Mercury - Mars...it is the formula opposite that of the Part of Intelligence, that is Asc. + Mars - Mercury] It is that Part ...that Cosmic Precept of the 360 that one is most naive about...and Jesus/Yeshua was human and had his frailties too...just like the rest of us...[although to what amount of naivete...does remain elusive at this time... ]
it calculates to 12* Leo 53' ...i.e. the 13th degree of Leo
[from Rudhyar's book "An Astrological Mandalla"]
"AN OLD SEA CAPTAIN ROCKING HIMSELF ON THE PORCH OF HIS COTTAGE.
KEYNOTE: The quieted mind's recollections of crises and joys long past.
...maintaining the integrity of his individual selfhood while in close contact with the collective Unconscious. Now retired, he may try to distill wisdom from his many experiences and from his victories over elemental forces. The "swing" of the child-consciousness [the prior degree and symbol...D.M.] has now become a "rocking chair" from which one can contemplate past as well as present scenes, gently moving as waves roll over the shore. Peace at last...
... Keyword: QUIET RECOLLECTION."
...well, now that makes a great deal more sense than what I had mistakenly posted...sounds to me that He had no chance or opportunity to take such a position...especially as to His overall existence through many incarnations...I believe He was fully informed and aware of every one of them and knew that this incarnation was the final act on this plane..no time for quiet and contemplative recollections...the Man had to be BUSY from the get go...IMHO...of course!
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Re: Birth Chart of Jesus?
by David_Mastrogiovanni on Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:18 am
Please see posts 2,3 & 4 from the thread on the Hermetic Lots of Necessity, Courage and Victory for what I derive from this chart as to be those of Yeshua/Jesus...Thank you. D.M. -
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Re: Birth Chart of Jesus?
by David_Mastrogiovanni on Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:02 pm
Greetings again.
I've got a number of developments that are pertinent to this thread topic... I just don't know how much is too much for an internet forum thread mainly dedicated to sharing techniques, tools and various schools of astrological science [or 'craft', if some of you prefer]. I have one on on another Arabic Part and some new developments with the Hermetic Lots that contribute to this subject of understanding and of interest also to most all other schools of astrology as, they are, Astrological Parts I 'm talking about here.
I will begin with copying and pasting a thread I did on the "Part of Secret Enemies"
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Greetings. I've been trying to tackle Robert Zoeller's book on Arabic Parts again and today I found that the formula Asc. + C12 - R12 is actually a Hermetic Lot of Secret Enemies.
I knew it to be called the Part of but hadn't known until today that it is a "Lot" according to Hermes [attributed to Bonatti].
Zoeller's book also identifies Asc. + Mars - Saturn as a Part of Secret Enemies and says that Bonatti wrote that Albumassur said that both Parts should be used and that if they are both in opposition or in square aspect to the Lords of their houses [signs] then the querent will have many enemies. However if they are both free from their Lord and from the Lord of the Asc., one will have enemies for a reason ["he will have enemies for a reason" non habebit inimicos de levi]. Zoeller's book goes on to state; "The same thing happens in revolutions because if they are easily disposed, as had been said, men will make enemies of each other in that revolution."
I'm working with the Hermetic Lot in this thread and am trying to get to the 'bottom of it' so to speak, thus I'm using the chart I propose is that of Yeshu'a of Nazareth as a 'Template' of understanding.
For that chart it comes to 02* Aquarius 51' and that is according to the Sabian symbols [Rudhyar's book, "An Astrological Mandala"]
AQUARIUS 3° "A DESERTER FROM THE NAVY.
KEYNOTE: The individual's self-realization through a crucial repudiation of a collective status which has become unbearable.
This symbol... is one implying an irrevocable change of status. Man refuses to accept the type of cultural patterns derived from his society's specific approach to local circumstances and to the universe as a whole, and in another sense, from its particular relationship to the all-human collective Unconscious. ... He not only refuses to obey orders, he deliberately turns his back on his collective social status; he becomes an outcast...
a sharp renunciation of his social birthright [that is] by a crucial process of DESOCIALIZATION."
I thought about this a bit and realized that it was just these kind of individuals, the malcontents, the 'rabble rousers' that Yeshu'a didn't need 'hanging around' with Him and His true believers. These were the folks, that if there was enough of them, would give his purpose in His life reason to be taken the wrong way. It would've given the authorities exactly the reason to 'shut His show down pronto'.
You see, by the word [b]''Secret"[/b], it is meant that , one wouldn't see them as enemies...and that they wouldn't see themselves as your enemy either... in its' way..."it is a secret".
Greetings.
It was not too long go that I learned of the existence of the "Seven Hermetic Lots". Not all the 'Lots' or 'Parts'. I knew of the Part of Fortune, the Part of Spirit or Soul, the Part of Sudden Advancement ...which is also known as the Hermetic Lot of Nemesis, the Part of Imprisonment and the Part of Eros. I learned of the existence of the other three. Those being the Part of Necessity, the Part of Courage and the Part of Victory.
Two of these are also known by the names of the Luminaries. The Planets are also named as Parts but they are not of this sequencing that follows.
For example the Part of Fortune is know also as the Part of the Moon, and the Part of Soul or Spirit is known as the Part of the Sun. Of the planets I only knew of Saturn, the Part of Sudden Advancement [and more recently did I learn that it is the Hermetic Lot of Nemesis] and since the ...ahem...Golden Age of Astrology there has been the "discovery" of Neptune and that is known as the Part of Imprisonment and I include it here as you [or most of you] will see by the sequencing as follows.
The Hermetic Lots are as thus:
[PoF is Part of Fortune]
Asc. + PoF - Mercury = Lot of Necessity
Asc. + Venus - Part of Soul = Lot of Eros
Asc. + PoF - Mars = Lot of Courage
Asc. + Jupiter - Part of Soul = Lot of Victory
Asc. + PoF - Saturn = Lot of Nemesis
Asc. + [Uranus?] - [Part of Soul?] = ?
Asc. + PoF - Neptune = Lot of Imprisonment
Asc. + [Pluto?] - [Part of Soul?] = ?
If you don't know about these Lots/Parts, I have threads on them in the Degree Symbols sub forum and in the post on The Arabic and other Astrological Parts thread where I've been listing all the Parts with all the names and descriptions I can find.
The Lot of Necessity, I have found is also called [Robert Zoeller's book " The Arabic Parts In Astrology"] "the Part of Skill, Talent, Acuity and discipline of all arts and memory and the like, or pars calliditatis, ingenii, acuitatis, etc.", and thus is highly praised.
The Lot of Nemesis, from what I have found so far for reason to be that it is also called the "Part of Sudden Advancement" is that it is a challenge of some extraneous effort that if adhered to will produce the quickest and most advancing results...in that for the reason it is also a 'Nemesis'.
The question is is what are the two Lots that fit the sequence?
The only thing I have to go on is that there are two of these that are dealing with the Lower and Higher octave of the same principle, Venus and Neptune.
For Venus, that is the Lot of Eros and it has been found to be that which we seek out as for our closest compadres in purpose and spirit. For Neptune, that is the Lot of Imprisonment and it is that which we are not allowed to approach or embrace in closeness.
Using, the above and the chart I propose is the legitimate chart of Yeshu'a of Nazareth as a 'Template' of understanding. I find that the formula for the one of Uranus to calculate to 25* Virgo 45', that is the 26th degree of Virgo.
[From Rudhyar's book on the Sabian Symbols, "An Astrological Mandala"]
VIRGO 26° "A BOY WITH A CENSER SERVES THE PRIEST NEAR THE ALTAR.
KEYNOTE: The first stage of actual participation in the great ritual of planetary evolution.
Whether we think of the ancient mysteries, or of a Catholic Mass, or of some still more transcendent ceremony in which great Beings charged with planetary responsibilities are involved, we are dealing with a type of archetypal activity. The ritual ... represents, in however small a field of activity, a portion of the evolving structure of the cosmos, as this structure is understood in its "sacred" sense... Menial as it may be, it nevertheless acquires a sacred meaning.
[A person is]... led out into the world of transcendent activity, the world of archetypal performance. ... [They] must learn to serve, humbly and with intense attention, in what as yet is beyond his spiritual understanding..."
Okay, I can see that if Mercury is that ''Necessity'' then Uranus must be the antithesis, and it becomes obvious that Yeshu'a had no necessity for this kind of ritual.
...but, what of the other Lot?
For the other 'Lot', Asc. + Pluto - Part of Soul, from the "Yeshu'a Chart" it calculates to 18* Pisces 31'....!!!! The 19th degree of Pisces.
That's the same degree as His Part of Fortune: [ibid.]
PISCES 19* "A MASTER INSTRUCTING HIS DISCIPLE[S]"
You see, given the pattern that developed...a sort of 'algorithm' of precepts and math... I would surmise that the last Part, i.e. Asc. + Pluto - Part of Soul [Sol...as it is also known as the "Part of the Sun"] would be the antithesis of Courage...
so maybe it is the ...if I may be so glib...?
'Part of Be Afraid...Be Very Afraid' [?]
If it is something along the lines I'm figuring ...then it is to be assumed that Yeshu'a [if that IS His chart] had something to fear from those [or one of those] that he acquired as a disciple.
Judas, perhaps...or maybe Peter? ...or...?
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I've got a number of developments that are pertinent to this thread topic... I just don't know how much is too much for an internet forum thread mainly dedicated to sharing techniques, tools and various schools of astrological science [or 'craft', if some of you prefer]. I have one on on another Arabic Part and some new developments with the Hermetic Lots that contribute to this subject of understanding and of interest also to most all other schools of astrology as, they are, Astrological Parts I 'm talking about here.
I will begin with copying and pasting a thread I did on the "Part of Secret Enemies"
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Greetings. I've been trying to tackle Robert Zoeller's book on Arabic Parts again and today I found that the formula Asc. + C12 - R12 is actually a Hermetic Lot of Secret Enemies.
I knew it to be called the Part of but hadn't known until today that it is a "Lot" according to Hermes [attributed to Bonatti].
Zoeller's book also identifies Asc. + Mars - Saturn as a Part of Secret Enemies and says that Bonatti wrote that Albumassur said that both Parts should be used and that if they are both in opposition or in square aspect to the Lords of their houses [signs] then the querent will have many enemies. However if they are both free from their Lord and from the Lord of the Asc., one will have enemies for a reason ["he will have enemies for a reason" non habebit inimicos de levi]. Zoeller's book goes on to state; "The same thing happens in revolutions because if they are easily disposed, as had been said, men will make enemies of each other in that revolution."
I'm working with the Hermetic Lot in this thread and am trying to get to the 'bottom of it' so to speak, thus I'm using the chart I propose is that of Yeshu'a of Nazareth as a 'Template' of understanding.
For that chart it comes to 02* Aquarius 51' and that is according to the Sabian symbols [Rudhyar's book, "An Astrological Mandala"]
AQUARIUS 3° "A DESERTER FROM THE NAVY.
KEYNOTE: The individual's self-realization through a crucial repudiation of a collective status which has become unbearable.
This symbol... is one implying an irrevocable change of status. Man refuses to accept the type of cultural patterns derived from his society's specific approach to local circumstances and to the universe as a whole, and in another sense, from its particular relationship to the all-human collective Unconscious. ... He not only refuses to obey orders, he deliberately turns his back on his collective social status; he becomes an outcast...
a sharp renunciation of his social birthright [that is] by a crucial process of DESOCIALIZATION."
I thought about this a bit and realized that it was just these kind of individuals, the malcontents, the 'rabble rousers' that Yeshu'a didn't need 'hanging around' with Him and His true believers. These were the folks, that if there was enough of them, would give his purpose in His life reason to be taken the wrong way. It would've given the authorities exactly the reason to 'shut His show down pronto'.
You see, by the word [b]''Secret"[/b], it is meant that , one wouldn't see them as enemies...and that they wouldn't see themselves as your enemy either... in its' way..."it is a secret".
Greetings.
It was not too long go that I learned of the existence of the "Seven Hermetic Lots". Not all the 'Lots' or 'Parts'. I knew of the Part of Fortune, the Part of Spirit or Soul, the Part of Sudden Advancement ...which is also known as the Hermetic Lot of Nemesis, the Part of Imprisonment and the Part of Eros. I learned of the existence of the other three. Those being the Part of Necessity, the Part of Courage and the Part of Victory.
Two of these are also known by the names of the Luminaries. The Planets are also named as Parts but they are not of this sequencing that follows.
For example the Part of Fortune is know also as the Part of the Moon, and the Part of Soul or Spirit is known as the Part of the Sun. Of the planets I only knew of Saturn, the Part of Sudden Advancement [and more recently did I learn that it is the Hermetic Lot of Nemesis] and since the ...ahem...Golden Age of Astrology there has been the "discovery" of Neptune and that is known as the Part of Imprisonment and I include it here as you [or most of you] will see by the sequencing as follows.
The Hermetic Lots are as thus:
[PoF is Part of Fortune]
Asc. + PoF - Mercury = Lot of Necessity
Asc. + Venus - Part of Soul = Lot of Eros
Asc. + PoF - Mars = Lot of Courage
Asc. + Jupiter - Part of Soul = Lot of Victory
Asc. + PoF - Saturn = Lot of Nemesis
Asc. + [Uranus?] - [Part of Soul?] = ?
Asc. + PoF - Neptune = Lot of Imprisonment
Asc. + [Pluto?] - [Part of Soul?] = ?
If you don't know about these Lots/Parts, I have threads on them in the Degree Symbols sub forum and in the post on The Arabic and other Astrological Parts thread where I've been listing all the Parts with all the names and descriptions I can find.
The Lot of Necessity, I have found is also called [Robert Zoeller's book " The Arabic Parts In Astrology"] "the Part of Skill, Talent, Acuity and discipline of all arts and memory and the like, or pars calliditatis, ingenii, acuitatis, etc.", and thus is highly praised.
The Lot of Nemesis, from what I have found so far for reason to be that it is also called the "Part of Sudden Advancement" is that it is a challenge of some extraneous effort that if adhered to will produce the quickest and most advancing results...in that for the reason it is also a 'Nemesis'.
The question is is what are the two Lots that fit the sequence?
The only thing I have to go on is that there are two of these that are dealing with the Lower and Higher octave of the same principle, Venus and Neptune.
For Venus, that is the Lot of Eros and it has been found to be that which we seek out as for our closest compadres in purpose and spirit. For Neptune, that is the Lot of Imprisonment and it is that which we are not allowed to approach or embrace in closeness.
Using, the above and the chart I propose is the legitimate chart of Yeshu'a of Nazareth as a 'Template' of understanding. I find that the formula for the one of Uranus to calculate to 25* Virgo 45', that is the 26th degree of Virgo.
[From Rudhyar's book on the Sabian Symbols, "An Astrological Mandala"]
VIRGO 26° "A BOY WITH A CENSER SERVES THE PRIEST NEAR THE ALTAR.
KEYNOTE: The first stage of actual participation in the great ritual of planetary evolution.
Whether we think of the ancient mysteries, or of a Catholic Mass, or of some still more transcendent ceremony in which great Beings charged with planetary responsibilities are involved, we are dealing with a type of archetypal activity. The ritual ... represents, in however small a field of activity, a portion of the evolving structure of the cosmos, as this structure is understood in its "sacred" sense... Menial as it may be, it nevertheless acquires a sacred meaning.
[A person is]... led out into the world of transcendent activity, the world of archetypal performance. ... [They] must learn to serve, humbly and with intense attention, in what as yet is beyond his spiritual understanding..."
Okay, I can see that if Mercury is that ''Necessity'' then Uranus must be the antithesis, and it becomes obvious that Yeshu'a had no necessity for this kind of ritual.
...but, what of the other Lot?
For the other 'Lot', Asc. + Pluto - Part of Soul, from the "Yeshu'a Chart" it calculates to 18* Pisces 31'....!!!! The 19th degree of Pisces.
That's the same degree as His Part of Fortune: [ibid.]
PISCES 19* "A MASTER INSTRUCTING HIS DISCIPLE[S]"
You see, given the pattern that developed...a sort of 'algorithm' of precepts and math... I would surmise that the last Part, i.e. Asc. + Pluto - Part of Soul [Sol...as it is also known as the "Part of the Sun"] would be the antithesis of Courage...
so maybe it is the ...if I may be so glib...?
'Part of Be Afraid...Be Very Afraid' [?]
If it is something along the lines I'm figuring ...then it is to be assumed that Yeshu'a [if that IS His chart] had something to fear from those [or one of those] that he acquired as a disciple.
Judas, perhaps...or maybe Peter? ...or...?
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Re: Birth Chart of Jesus?
by David_Mastrogiovanni on Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:57 pm
Here's something new and intriguing about this chart [new to me, anyways.]
There's a 'modern' "Astrological Part" called the "Part of Helpful and Positive Change". It is found by the formula of, Asc. + Pluto - Jupiter ...
For this chart that calculates to 18* Cancer 30'
There's been a lot of talk-speculation-proclamations ...whatever...about Yeshu'a having had a wife.
I've read some of the arguments for and against...it makes sense to me either way at this time.
Or, possibly up until tonight as Yeshu'a/Jesus certainly seemed to be well aware of the precepts that made up His being in that lifetime. Edgar Cayce identified the soul of Yeshu'a by the Satnam [True Name, his Souls' name] Amilius and that Amilius had been on earth for the 30th time by the time of his last as Yeshu'a. Two incarnations He actually 'Manifested" on earth...that is to say, without having to have been born.
Krishna is the only other being that I've heard for this Phenomena although there's a possibility that 'cat' called St. Germaine might be one of these also...and some stories about Merlin of the Arthurian legend...but there's talk that King Arthur and Camelot was all about the "White Lodge" or "The Great White Brotherhood" and that would include Arthur and possibly some of the knights...I don't know, but the point is if He could manifest himself as Enoch and Melchizedek [as Edgar Cayce said He had been] then He was a fully realized Soul. One would have to be to create a being for oneself from sheer will [and Word].
Thus it is no great leap of reasoning to figure that as Yeshu'a/Jesus He was fully aware of all the 'Cosmic Components' of his being.
I had commented to my fellow yogi and good friend, Suryakant, not long after ascertaining this chart that Jesus seemed to have not only demonstrated that He didn't fight the decree of the stars as to who he was to be by exercising his 'Free Will'...as many a noted astrologer and some spiritual teachers have suggested we do but, rather, succumbed to it. To which Suryakant replied. "Yes. Then great teachings say that when you are that realized you have your free will and a will power that can hardly be denied but you find that you are one with the will of God and you just be that which God decided for you to be in the first place.
So, the question is...did He adhere to this as to the Symbolism for this "Part of Helpful and Positive Change"?
As for reason that I've interpreted this very degree Symbol a couple of times in the manner of taking a spouse. One of the more recent theories or explanations is that it would have been His duty as a faithful Jew to have taken a wife, regardless of what His work or purpose on Earth was. As every Jew and Jewish Rabbi should take a wife.
The Sabian Symbol for the 19th degree of Cancer is...[ibid.]
"A PRIEST PERFORMING A MARRIAGE CEREMONY.
KEYNOTE: The ritualization of productive interpersonal relationships.
This scene symbolizes the profound need for referring the interplay and the relatively permanent and productive union of all polarities to some third factor which either includes, or transcends and gives spiritual meaning to, the relationship. A conjugal union is essentially and traditionally the union of a man and a woman for the sake of producing progeny able to perpetuate the racial type, the family tradition and the way of life of a particular culture (or 'subculture'), including a set of religious beliefs. The married couple is the basic productive unit in our society - as it has been for millennia in all patriarchal societies. The purpose of any established religion (including tribal cults) is to glorify, sanction and bless with a super-personal meaning all personal and interpersonal activities. This occurs through the 'sacraments,' and indeed through most religious rites.
At this fourth stage of the five-fold sequence we are given the basic technique used in all processes of effectual social or group integration. It is the technique which takes the form of sociocultural, and thus business or religious, ritualization. Through this technique commonplace individual endeavors acquire SANCTION; that is, they are ritualized and indeed 'sanctified.' "
There's a 'modern' "Astrological Part" called the "Part of Helpful and Positive Change". It is found by the formula of, Asc. + Pluto - Jupiter ...
For this chart that calculates to 18* Cancer 30'
There's been a lot of talk-speculation-proclamations ...whatever...about Yeshu'a having had a wife.
I've read some of the arguments for and against...it makes sense to me either way at this time.
Or, possibly up until tonight as Yeshu'a/Jesus certainly seemed to be well aware of the precepts that made up His being in that lifetime. Edgar Cayce identified the soul of Yeshu'a by the Satnam [True Name, his Souls' name] Amilius and that Amilius had been on earth for the 30th time by the time of his last as Yeshu'a. Two incarnations He actually 'Manifested" on earth...that is to say, without having to have been born.
Krishna is the only other being that I've heard for this Phenomena although there's a possibility that 'cat' called St. Germaine might be one of these also...and some stories about Merlin of the Arthurian legend...but there's talk that King Arthur and Camelot was all about the "White Lodge" or "The Great White Brotherhood" and that would include Arthur and possibly some of the knights...I don't know, but the point is if He could manifest himself as Enoch and Melchizedek [as Edgar Cayce said He had been] then He was a fully realized Soul. One would have to be to create a being for oneself from sheer will [and Word].
Thus it is no great leap of reasoning to figure that as Yeshu'a/Jesus He was fully aware of all the 'Cosmic Components' of his being.
I had commented to my fellow yogi and good friend, Suryakant, not long after ascertaining this chart that Jesus seemed to have not only demonstrated that He didn't fight the decree of the stars as to who he was to be by exercising his 'Free Will'...as many a noted astrologer and some spiritual teachers have suggested we do but, rather, succumbed to it. To which Suryakant replied. "Yes. Then great teachings say that when you are that realized you have your free will and a will power that can hardly be denied but you find that you are one with the will of God and you just be that which God decided for you to be in the first place.
So, the question is...did He adhere to this as to the Symbolism for this "Part of Helpful and Positive Change"?
As for reason that I've interpreted this very degree Symbol a couple of times in the manner of taking a spouse. One of the more recent theories or explanations is that it would have been His duty as a faithful Jew to have taken a wife, regardless of what His work or purpose on Earth was. As every Jew and Jewish Rabbi should take a wife.
The Sabian Symbol for the 19th degree of Cancer is...[ibid.]
"A PRIEST PERFORMING A MARRIAGE CEREMONY.
KEYNOTE: The ritualization of productive interpersonal relationships.
This scene symbolizes the profound need for referring the interplay and the relatively permanent and productive union of all polarities to some third factor which either includes, or transcends and gives spiritual meaning to, the relationship. A conjugal union is essentially and traditionally the union of a man and a woman for the sake of producing progeny able to perpetuate the racial type, the family tradition and the way of life of a particular culture (or 'subculture'), including a set of religious beliefs. The married couple is the basic productive unit in our society - as it has been for millennia in all patriarchal societies. The purpose of any established religion (including tribal cults) is to glorify, sanction and bless with a super-personal meaning all personal and interpersonal activities. This occurs through the 'sacraments,' and indeed through most religious rites.
At this fourth stage of the five-fold sequence we are given the basic technique used in all processes of effectual social or group integration. It is the technique which takes the form of sociocultural, and thus business or religious, ritualization. Through this technique commonplace individual endeavors acquire SANCTION; that is, they are ritualized and indeed 'sanctified.' "
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Re: Birth Chart of Jesus?
by David_Mastrogiovanni on Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:02 pm
Greetings.
Here's a new observation on this chart.
I buy a different book on astrology from time to time...usually something used from a second hand bookstore. A couple/three years ago I picked up an edition of "A to Z Horoscope Maker and Delineator" by Llewellyn George originally published in 1910.
I hadn't done much more than glance through it on a couple of occasions...read a page or two as it didn't seem to hold much of anything new for me...until a few days ago.
On page 678 [of my 1978 edition] the text has a listing of "Exaltation Degrees and Critical Degrees". Exaltation degrees are familiar to me as far as for the Sun and the Moon, so I was pleased to see a listing for Mercury through Saturn and the Nodes [no mention of Uranus, Neptune or Pluto ...which wasn't known of for another 20 odd years in 1910] but it's the so called "Critical Degrees" that I'm intrigued with presently. Llewellyn wrote: " These sensitive or critical degrees were given considerable importance by the ancients. A Planets' strength or power in the horoscope is believed to be increased when in any of these degrees, or within an orb of 3* of the critical degree."
The author made no mention of the source of this info but on contacting fellow astrologer, Don Cerow of Santa Cruz, Calif. I found out that they have something to do with the transits of the moon. [I made a phone call and unfortunately didn't take notes as it was a bit more technical than I had anticipated and didn't have the nerve to ask him to repeat the info as He was courteous enough to take the time of day to address a mid-day intrusion on my part ...he did say he was using a Astrological encyclopedia that was published in 1947 by an author of whom I can't recall but figure I can trace down without too grandiose an effort.]
According to Llewellyn the 'Critical Degrees" are...for the Cardinal Signs, 0* - 13* - 26* ...for the Fixed Signs, 9* - 21* ... for the Mutable Signs, 4* - 17*
...and Llewellyn numbers the degrees from 0 to 29, so adjust for Degree symbolism accordingly.
Now notice the Septile matrix of this Yeshu'a/Jesus chart.
Libra 0* - 1* the Asc. and Pluto
Scorpio 24* Neptune
Pisces 6* Venus
Gemini 18* Mars
for the "Crucifixion chart" of April 16, 35 A.D. [or C.E. if you prefer] Gregorian...
Moon 13* Capricorn
Sun 25* Aries
Jupiter, Saturn 12* Leo
from where I sit...all these degrees listed seem as if they are Septile to one another in the right arrangements...curious stuff, INDEED!
...anyone with any info on these "Critical degrees" , I'd be very appreciative for anything you might know about them that you might be gracious enough to share...as I'm still without internet service at my home I'm very limited to the time I can spend on the internet these days and don't expect any change in that situation for at least another month or two...thanks, ptv.
[and as I subsequently found out the following day that I posted the above at the astrologyweekly.com forum...the following]
I found another source for these so called "Critical Degrees". It is a book by Manly Hall [an oldie]. They represent the passage of the moon in a 24 hour period.
Of another note...did anyone else notice on Feb. 27th on the day of the Popes' last public appearance and at the beginning of the 28th, the day of his stepping down, that Mercury was in the 19th of Pisces..."The Master Instructs The Disciple[s]"?....
Co-incidence?
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Here's a new observation on this chart.
I buy a different book on astrology from time to time...usually something used from a second hand bookstore. A couple/three years ago I picked up an edition of "A to Z Horoscope Maker and Delineator" by Llewellyn George originally published in 1910.
I hadn't done much more than glance through it on a couple of occasions...read a page or two as it didn't seem to hold much of anything new for me...until a few days ago.
On page 678 [of my 1978 edition] the text has a listing of "Exaltation Degrees and Critical Degrees". Exaltation degrees are familiar to me as far as for the Sun and the Moon, so I was pleased to see a listing for Mercury through Saturn and the Nodes [no mention of Uranus, Neptune or Pluto ...which wasn't known of for another 20 odd years in 1910] but it's the so called "Critical Degrees" that I'm intrigued with presently. Llewellyn wrote: " These sensitive or critical degrees were given considerable importance by the ancients. A Planets' strength or power in the horoscope is believed to be increased when in any of these degrees, or within an orb of 3* of the critical degree."
The author made no mention of the source of this info but on contacting fellow astrologer, Don Cerow of Santa Cruz, Calif. I found out that they have something to do with the transits of the moon. [I made a phone call and unfortunately didn't take notes as it was a bit more technical than I had anticipated and didn't have the nerve to ask him to repeat the info as He was courteous enough to take the time of day to address a mid-day intrusion on my part ...he did say he was using a Astrological encyclopedia that was published in 1947 by an author of whom I can't recall but figure I can trace down without too grandiose an effort.]
According to Llewellyn the 'Critical Degrees" are...for the Cardinal Signs, 0* - 13* - 26* ...for the Fixed Signs, 9* - 21* ... for the Mutable Signs, 4* - 17*
...and Llewellyn numbers the degrees from 0 to 29, so adjust for Degree symbolism accordingly.
Now notice the Septile matrix of this Yeshu'a/Jesus chart.
Libra 0* - 1* the Asc. and Pluto
Scorpio 24* Neptune
Pisces 6* Venus
Gemini 18* Mars
for the "Crucifixion chart" of April 16, 35 A.D. [or C.E. if you prefer] Gregorian...
Moon 13* Capricorn
Sun 25* Aries
Jupiter, Saturn 12* Leo
from where I sit...all these degrees listed seem as if they are Septile to one another in the right arrangements...curious stuff, INDEED!
...anyone with any info on these "Critical degrees" , I'd be very appreciative for anything you might know about them that you might be gracious enough to share...as I'm still without internet service at my home I'm very limited to the time I can spend on the internet these days and don't expect any change in that situation for at least another month or two...thanks, ptv.
[and as I subsequently found out the following day that I posted the above at the astrologyweekly.com forum...the following]
I found another source for these so called "Critical Degrees". It is a book by Manly Hall [an oldie]. They represent the passage of the moon in a 24 hour period.
Of another note...did anyone else notice on Feb. 27th on the day of the Popes' last public appearance and at the beginning of the 28th, the day of his stepping down, that Mercury was in the 19th of Pisces..."The Master Instructs The Disciple[s]"?....
Co-incidence?
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