However, we can start any related threads on our own or even a thread to comment on their discussion. If you and other Vedic astrologers want to contact me to create a third Vedic forum, I am totally open to that.
Michael, I like Sam's susggestion, and hope the two of you can come up with a good title for another forum.
[Michael:] "I am also trying to find some sources for Babylonian astrology, and am still waiting to hear about that.
I've been collecting texts on Babylonian astrology for a number of years. The problem is that the material is highly technical and mathematical and ferreted away in difficult-to-come-by professional magazines. I've been able to obtain some good material on-line and also have found a few helpful texts. Just for information below is a list of books I've been able to find. In case you already know about these books, I'm initially not giving all the publication information:
Hunger and Pingree's ASTRAL SCIENCES IN MESOPOTAMIA (Brill, 1999) Very, very technical with many accurate translations from old texts.
Rochberg's BABYLONIAN HOROSCOPES (American Philosophical Society, 1998) (I think she has another small book or two as well.) This book contains translations of most or all of the horoscopes known at the time of writing. This is the source text I used for the short articles on Babylonian planetary positions on my web site. (Along with Pingree.)
Ulla Koch-Westenholz's MESOPOTAMIAN ASTROLOGY (History, tradition, working principles, very technical.)
Michael Baigent's FROM THE OMENS OF BABYLON: ASTROLOGY AND ANCIENT MESOPOTAMIA (Arkana, 1994)
This last book is very readable and filled with gems such as:
"[Astrology] changed from the political, mass-oriented 'mundane' astrology to that in which the individual was important...[This was the result of the Persian Invasion.]...there is also a corresponding relationship between the astrology based upon a natal horoscope and the monotheistic religion--Zoroastrianism." (p. 175) (c. 539 B.C.)
[Michael:] "My own view about looking into the past, and this is something that Robert Schmidt and I have discussed for a great many years now, is that whatever was true back then (ages ago) is still true today, because that is the definition of truth, something that last or endures..."
[Therese:] I hadn't considered that idea, but I like it--truth endures. I like the quotes from literature (Emerson). Astrology has to be linked to basically everything. We don't exist in an isolated capsule.
[Michael:] "Just as we can search in ancient languages for how astrology works, whatever truth there is in that search is still true today and remains in the mind to be accessed by any of us with the will and patience to do so. We can go within our own mind and discover these same truths."
[Therese:] Like Edgar Cayce's Universal Mind. We all have access to that Mind. I often think that each astrologer is tapping a certain part of that Mind, and is (in a way) actually "channeling" certain precepts and methods for the benefit of everyone else.
[Michael wrote:] "So, please communicate your wishes and needs either here or elsewhere on the forum or to me personally at Michael@erlewine.net
. It is my wish to make the ACT dialogs a refuge for real discussion among astrologers."
[Sam wrote:] "Since you suggested another forum, I would be happy to moderate a more open Vedic Astrology Forum if you think that will be of benefit to the ACT community...I recently have been conducting classes with western and vedic astrologers using all zodiacs and systems.. so I see the beauty in all of it - AND I have researched Jyotish quite a lot myself."
[Therese:] Yes, I think we'd like a forum for open discussion of Jyotish and the zodiacs and related issues. (Forgive me if I have something of a block to the word "Vedic." I like "Jyotish" because it's historically more accurate.)